Skins/Giants post game thread

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by The Goat

No, you fire Kyle two years ago, one year ago, and today because he can't put a whole game-plan together and there are multiple examples in every game where the defense reads the play before the ball is snapped. The most important three today were all option reads btw, but even further down the line they're still important "misses." While I don't like Mike as a personnel guy, and I think he needs to rediscover his offensive genius, I'll take Mike running the offense completely over Kyle's game-day performances.

The calls for Hazlett's head are justified too IMO. Tell you what, Mike letting his kid, and the NFL, know Kyle's holding this offense back, and then booting the defensive coordinator because he's holding the defense back, could look desperate and I'm sure ESPN would try to spin it that way, but it would really show Mike is serious about finding a winning combo. We have the talent, get the "brains" on game-day sorted out and let's win a few against the good teams!!

There was absolutely NOTHING wrong with the play calling today minus one series. You just have this illogical hate towards the Shanahan's and it shows.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Garcon should be our 3rd option anyway, and I'm not convinced there's any difference between his skill level and Josh Morgan's

i.e.

Moss (in the slot but first option), Hankerson, Garcon is probably equal to Moss, Hankerson, Morgan.

Don't forget Robinson and I guess Briscoe's ass is about glued to the bench now.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

There was absolutely NOTHING wrong with the play calling today minus one series. You just have this illogical hate towards the Shanahan's and it shows.

I think people are equating RG3's/Morris' mistakes/turnovers to problems with the playcall? My only beef with the play calling is the inability of getting in the endzone during the first drive and that stupid option to Paul.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Don't forget Robinson and I guess Briscoe's ass is about glued to the bench now.

True but this offense doesn't ever need more than three WRs playing out there.

[jdc65]

Originally Posted by Gtothearry

I love how one week the Skins are great if they win and the next week they're awful if they lose. The Skins lost a game they easily could've won against a team who just beat down a 49ers team regarded as the best in the NFL.

Griffin is no Cam Newton. The kid is a fantastic person who cares about winning and isn't a egotistical child.

It's not doom and gloom people. We should be very excited about the future.

The Skins don't win games like this one today, they haven't in years, they find a way to lose these games. The Giants find ways to win these games, as most good teams do. They likely would have lost the Viking game if not for Griffin's spectacular run. Count the Tampa game as mostly a Griffin win as well.

It's time for brutal honesty, Shanahan's coaching record over the last 5 years is 29-41. Here he is 14-25. No way he is coaching any NFL team if not for the early Bronco years with John Elway. Any equity he had built up is gone now. I say that as a fan ecstatic when he was hired and even happier to have Kyle onboard as I thought he would follow as HC.

The defense and special teams are worse than when he arrived, and the entire offense is predicated on misdirection with Griffin's superior ability. It is unsustainable. For every good move they've made, I can point to 2 bad ones, probably 3.

RG could be a superstar, they have a handful of solid pieces to work around, and there is legitimate hope for the future. But in my opinion, Shanahan isn't going to take this team to the next step, and there is no logical reason for any fan to think so other than blind faith and desperate hope.

I'm predicting Haslett won't finish the season, and 5-6 wins means complete change which I am now all for. 7 or more wins will and should keep Mike here, I agree.

[MTK]

We should have hung 40 on these guys today. I'm not excusing the blown coverage on the Cruz TD but it shouldn't have come down to that. 3 fumbles was just horrible.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

There was absolutely NOTHING wrong with the play calling today minus one series. You just have this illogical hate towards the Shanahan's and it shows.

Dont even want to go here but if you base your feelings on wins / losses than its actually the love thats illogical.


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[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

We should have hung 40 on these guys today. I'm not excusing the blown coverage on the Cruz TD but it shouldn't have come down to that. 3 fumbles was just horrible.

And a pick.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I think people are equating RG3's/Morris' mistakes/turnovers to problems with the playcall? My only beef with the play calling is the inability of getting in the endzone during the first drive and that stupid option to Paul.

Yeah, I had a huge issue with that stupid ass option play with Paul. That play hasn't worked before and didn't work today, and likely will not work ever in the future. I've seen the Panthers try the same shit with Cam only to get it stuffed as well.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by jdc65

The Skins don't win games like this one today, they haven't in years, they find a way to lose these games. The Giants find ways to win these games, as most good teams do. They likely would have lost the Viking game if not for Griffin's spectacular run. Count the Tampa game as mostly a Griffin win as well.

It's time for brutal honesty, Shanahan's coaching record over the last 5 years is 29-41. Here he is 14-25. No way he is coaching any NFL team if not for the early Bronco years with John Elway. Any equity he had built up is gone now. I say that as a fan ecstatic when he was hired and even happier to have Kyle onboard as I thought he would follow as HC.

The defense and special teams are worse than when he arrived, and the entire offense is predicated on misdirection with Griffin's superior ability. It is unsustainable. For every good move they've made, I can point to 2 bad ones, probably 3.

RG could be a superstar, they have a handful of solid pieces to work around, and there is legitimate hope for the future. But in my opinion, Shanahan isn't going to take this team to the next step, and there is no logical reason for any fan to think so other than blind faith and desperate hope.

I'm predicting Haslett won't finish the season, and 5-6 wins means complete change which I am now all for. 7 or more wins will and should keep Mike here, I agree.

Rite on man. Just hope RG-3 and morris and the few others can carry this team a long way - cus i personally dont care why we win - just that we win.


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[The Goat]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

There was absolutely NOTHING wrong with the play calling today minus one series. You just have this illogical hate towards the Shanahan's and it shows.

No, I think Mike needs to takeover play-calling because errors there are costing us significantly. If/when you watch the replay you'll count multiple plays spread throughout the game in which the defense read it perfectly before the ball was snapped. The most obvious ones we're the option to Paul, the option where RG3 lost the ball, and the option that was nearly broken up. The other instances don't have the same trending pattern. Here and there on an obvious blitz from the defense and Kyle hasn't given RG3 a quick slant option to burn the blitz.

And then you get into how poorly we spread the field through the air. I swear, our run game is creating bigger space/holes than the air attack.

Where I was wrong, up to the Falcons game, was thinking we have a pedestrian WR corp. We have a pretty good corp IMO. Moss is stellar this season. Hankerson shows some impressive skill improvement every game. He's learning to create space a little like Moss, and his bigger frame helps him out. Garcon and Morgan, while neither guy is consistent enough, can be swapped out for whoever is on their game. Add Fred Davis and you have a pretty awesome group of pass-catchers. We won't be quite at lethal with Cooley and Paulsen splitting time, but it is most definitely a group that should be able to consistently move the ball AND score.

[imaskin4life]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

We should have hung 40 on these guys today. I'm not excusing the blown coverage on the Cruz TD but it shouldn't have come down to that. 3 fumbles was just horrible.

players usually play the way they practice. multiple fumbles by different players makes me wonder what the redskins did to practice ball security this week - especially if there is limited contact at their practices.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by imaskin4life

players usually play the way they practice. multiple fumbles by different players makes me wonder what the redskins did to practice ball security this week - especially if there is limited contact at their practices.

Seemed more like a fluke day than anything. Fumbles weren't a problem coming into today. Hopefully they shake it off and get on track.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Dont even want to go here but if you base your feelings on wins / losses than its actually the love thats illogical.


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He screwed up on the trying to "win now" in year 1. Even so, why would anyone expect the roster we had to be completely turned over and winning SB's in 3 years. When he was hired, I told myself that in year 3 is where we should start to see a turn around. Year 4 is when we are a playoff team. And so far, year 3, and that turnaround is looking like its happening. Get a secondary, and we are already a playoff team, so we are on course with what I expected.

I think the problem is that when you expect to take a horrible team with massive cap problems and expect 3 SB victories in the first 4 years. You are setting up yourself for disappointment.

I think everyone assumes that building a team in Madden franchise mode is the same as building a team in the NFL, so once they win a SB in Madden, they think they could pull off 3 SB's in 4 years in the NFL as a GM. And here in lies the biggest problem IMO.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by jdc65

The Skins don't win games like this one today, they haven't in years, they find a way to lose these games. The Giants find ways to win these games, as most good teams do. They likely would have lost the Viking game if not for Griffin's spectacular run. Count the Tampa game as mostly a Griffin win as well.

But the Redskins just won a game like this last week. And the Giants likely would have lost if not for Cruz' TD today. So what's your point?