Good/Bad News for a Change - 2013 18MM cap penalty probably (not) going away

[warriorzpath]

Don't argue with me with the value of the draft because I know it's the most important. Using the importance of the draft to argue against the value of free agency is what bothers me. You need to be good in free agency as well as being good in the draft - which is the most important thing (please remember I said that)

[NYCskinfan82]

People need to realize we need both the draft & FA, for awhile then we SUCKED at both.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by NYCskinfan82

People need to realize we need both the draft & FA, for awhile then we SUCKED at both.

Yes, I think Redskins fans are just traumatized by bad personnel decisions before Shanahan and Allen got here.

Before Shanahan and Allen, they overpaid and overvalued with money, trades, and draft choices in both the draft and free agency.

That's why Shanahan turned the Redskins team upside down.

[donofriose]

Build your core through the draft. You can add free agents for depth but it should not be the center of your team. Like trying to build around Haynesworth, Asomugha, or Archuleta usually does not end up well. What the skins should do in my opinion is wait and see whos available after the frenzy. I guarantee there will be players that will be available and will be cheap. Maybe Winfield will be one, heck even Hall might come back for a million dollars instead of the 8 million that was owed to him.

Make the right moves in free agency by getting cheap signings, and then build your team with 7-8 starters on both sides of the ball that were drafted by you.

Look at the "winners" in free agency the past couple of years... how many of won superbowls? Even made the playoffs?

The Eagles?
The Bucs?
The Bills?

Why not just follow what other great teams do, I want the Redskins to win superbowls, not to win free agents.

[IrMitchell]

Personally I like the Garcon argument. Too much money and he could be replaced. HOWEVER, this isn't the summer to make any noise. Let's remain slow and methodical and try and salvage the season despite having no money. Worst case scenario we go into next summer with a 24/25 year old pro bowl quarterback and 30+ million in cap space.

EDIT: Actually it isn't worst case scenario, it's guaranteed.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by IrMitchell

Personally I like the Garcon argument. Too much money and he could be replaced. HOWEVER, this isn't the summer to make any noise. Let's remain slow and methodical and try and salvage the season despite having no money. Worst case scenario we go into next summer with a 24/25 year old pro bowl quarterback and 30+ million in cap space.

EDIT: Actually it isn't worst case scenario, it's guaranteed.

An automatic $18 mil in cap space in 2014, and hopefully a HEALTHY pro bowl QB. I hope Mike Shanahan gets an extension too, based on what he's done in building this team so far.

[Skinzman]

Need to be careful about saying an automatic 18 mil in cap space next year. We have already pushed some money back to next year and taken up some of that, but yes we should definitely be in better shape.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

Need to be careful about saying an automatic 18 mil in cap space next year. We have already pushed some money back to next year and taken up some of that, but yes we should definitely be in better shape.

Ah, good point, thanks.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by IrMitchell

Personally I like the Garcon argument. Too much money and he could be replaced. HOWEVER, this isn't the summer to make any noise. Let's remain slow and methodical and try and salvage the season despite having no money. Worst case scenario we go into next summer with a 24/25 year old pro bowl quarterback and 30+ million in cap space.

EDIT: Actually it isn't worst case scenario, it's guaranteed.

Garçon can be replaced? With who? I think this shows your football IQ. Who was a big part of the season ending redskins streak? Without him the Redskins probably lose at least one or two of those games and don't make it to the playoffs.

[warriorzpath]

I just can't believe these 2 recent statements:
1) Re-signing free agents aren't considered a part of free agency.
2) Garçon can be replaced.

which I can add to someone's statement earlier in the week: he didn't say -will. He said- will be able to. I can't even begin to address how wrong these statements are. I just stare at them and just shake my head for like 5 minutes.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

I just can't believe these 2 recent statements:
1) Re-signing free agents aren't considered a part of free agency.
2) Garçon can be replaced.

which I can add to someone's statement earlier in the week: he didn't say -will. He said- will be able to. I can't even begin to address how wrong these statements are. I just stare at them and just shake my head for like 5 minutes.

You honestly dont understand the difference between "I ~will~ go to Hawaii on vacation" or "I ~will be able to~ go to Hawaii on vacation"?

You are shaking your head for 5 minutes because you dont seem to understand basic English.

Also tell me when Tom Brady was ever a Free Agent. For that to happen, he actually has to hit Free Agency. The Pats have never let anyone bid on Brady's services because they never let him hit Free Agency. If he was never a Free Agent, then he was never a Free Agent. If he was never a Free Agent, then he has never signed a Free Agent contract. Seems pretty basic to me.

One of the problems is that you consider people on their first contract ONLY to be draft picks. Ask anyone if Tom Brady was a draft pick by the Pats or a Free Agent signing by the Pats. Im pretty sure the general consensus will be that he falls in the drafted camp and not the Free Agent signing camp.

[warriorzpath]

You said you don't count re-signing your own free agents as part of free agency. Tell that to the Ravens who are losing big players because they didn't re-sign theirs. But yeah that doesn't count right?

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

You said you don't count re-signing your own free agents as part of free agency. Tell that to the Ravens who are losing big players because they didn't re-sign theirs. But yeah that doesn't count right?

Losing players due to the cap has nothing to do with what we have been talking about the whole time. No team can sign everyone.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

Losing players due to the cap has nothing to do with what we have been talking about the whole time. No team can sign everyone.

But it's a part of free agency though- isn't it?

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

But it's a part of free agency though- isn't it?

Its a part of Free Agency if you let them hit Free Agency. If they have never been Free Agents, then they have never been Free Agents. And the only time that is possible to not let them be Free Agents is if you draft the player.