Taylor Effing Heinicke

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Meks you know why, youre a learned fan .. shotgun is good for mobile Qbs and running a spread offense. Also easier for young Qbs as they can see the field immediately and dont have to worry as much about foot work and dropping back.

As long as we can still run out of shotgun so we dont telegraph pass every time we do shotgun .. im sure it is helping Heinike.

also good for a shorter QB to help him see

TH is not a guy that should be under center a ton

[MTK]

Hard to get too upset with Turner given the garbage QB's he's been given to work with.

Reminds me of when fans got upset at Kyle Shanahan and the fact he couldn't work miracles with the likes of Grossman, Beck, and a checked out McNabb.

Mark Bullock's breakdowns have shown that he is scheming guys open and the main issue is with TH not delivering.

[Chico23231]

I say make the change

[rocnrik]

I would absolutely give Kyle a shot !!

[skinsfaninok]

I think its time for Allen as well but I don't see Ron doing it

[MTK]

Part of Bullock's latest TH breakdown

Now seven weeks into the season, we’re starting to get a better understanding of what Washington has in quarterback Taylor Heinicke. His sample size is still small and he could still improve or regress, but importantly, we’re starting to see repeated trends within his play that suggest he has some consistent issues. His stat line against the Packers, where he completed 25 of 37 passes for 268 yards and one touchdown and one interception, as always failed to tell the whole story.

So what are the trends we’re seeing from Heinicke as he gets more opportunities to start? Let’s take a closer look

Ball placement issues

Since the start of the season, it’s been clear to see that Heinicke has had issues with accuracy and ball placement. You can look at his stats and see he’s completing just over 64% of his passes this year, which isn’t terrible though it does rank 26th of 34 eligible quarterbacks. But accuracy and specifically ball placement is more than just completing passes, it’s about putting the ball in a position to help the receiver not only catch the ball, but pick up additional yards after the catch. That is where Heinicke has hurt his receivers. His ball placement has consistently been high and behind targets and his velocity hasn’t been great either, which leads to receivers having to wait for balls to arrive and stop their momentum to adjust their bodies to the pass.

These two plays are examples of this issue from the Packers game. The first play of the clip shows Terry McLaurin running wide open on a sail route. He has tons of room to work with and a good throw could see him turn up the sideline and pick up even more yards. The throw, however, is late to arrive, high and off target. That forces McLaurin to come back to the path of the ball and then jump to just reach it. He manages to make the catch, but the throw means the defenders around him were able to close in and limit the yards after catch potential.

The second play of the clip is a pivot route from Adam Humphries in the slot. Heinicke delivers the throw on time, as Humphries makes his break outside. However, the throw is again behind its target and lacks velocity, forcing Humphries to slow down out of his break and allowing the defender a chance to catch up. A better throw with more velocity and placed further outside might give Humphries a chance to catch the ball and turn up the sideline before the defender can close on him.

Limiting yards after the catch is an issue as it severely hurts the potential of the offense, especially with guys like Terry McLaurin and Curtis Samuel (when healthy), who are so good after the catch. It also must be frustrating for receivers like McLaurin, who get open regularly with well run routes only to have to slow down and fight for contested catches because of poorly thrown balls. But the more frustrating thing for receivers, I’d imagine, is Heinicke exposing them to hits.

This is becoming an increasingly large issue for Washington, especially with the number of pass catchers currently sidelined. The three plays in this clip are just a handful of some of the hits Heinicke has exposed his receivers to. The first play is a shallow cross to J.D. McKissic in which Heinicke throws high and behind McKissic with another slow, lofty throw. McKissic has to concentrate on turning his body back to the ball to try and make the catch that he’s completely unaware of the safety charging in behind him. With McKissic’s whole body in the air in an awkward position to try and catch the ball, the safety is able to land a big hit that could have led to an injury, though fortunately it didn’t.

The second play is similar to the sail route we saw to McLaurin earlier. This time the route is read much better by the safety and he drives down on it, but the floaty pass from Heinicke means McLaurin has to wait and jump up for the ball, again exposing him to a hit from behind where he can’t protect himself.

The third play is perhaps the worst of the lot, with McKissic working on a choice route out of the backfield. Granted, Heinicke does feel some early pressure inside and needs to get the ball out quickly. However, he locks onto McKissic, leading the safety straight to him, and then delivers another high and floaty pass that leads McKissic straight into the safety. McKissic takes another huge hit that again he’s fortunate to get back up from.

The issues with ball placement and velocity are becoming significant. They aren’t just hindering the offense by limiting the yards after catch potential and having receivers have to fight for contested catches, they’re exposing receivers to big hits. Washington is already without Samuel, Logan Thomas, Cam Sims and now rookie Dyami Brown. If the team were to lose McLaurin from a hit after one of these throws, the offense would be in big trouble.

[Ruhskins]

Spot on.

TH's accuracy is terrible. Terry has been making miracle catches to save TH, but sooner or later Terry is going to get hurt making those high catches.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Spot on.

TH's accuracy is terrible. Terry has been making miracle catches to save TH, but sooner or later Terry is going to get hurt making those high catches.

Usually smaller QB's (in my coaching experiences) do not throw high as much as TH does, the dude is just not very accurate. I Love his gamer mentality tho and I believe he should stay on as a QB2

[AnonEmouse]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Usually smaller QB's (in my coaching experiences) do not throw high as much as TH does, the dude is just not very accurate. I Love his gamer mentality tho and I believe he should stay on as a QB2

Yes, but if its as bad as the film suggests, maybe Allen should be that #1 at this point. Not so much to find a spark (which I doubt Allen brings) but to protect your prized assets on O.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by AnonEmouse

Yes, but if its as bad as the film suggests, maybe Allen should be that #1 at this point. Not so much to find a spark (which I doubt Allen brings) but to protect your prized assets on O.

Allen is TH without the gamer mentality.

[Redskins247]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Allen is TH without the gamer mentality.

I think so too. And while I know Kyle can move around and be mobile, I think he'll show more of where the O line is at. Is TH bailing on plays too soon? Or is it a necessity?

[mredskins]

I am so happy we have such a crappy organization that QBs like TH are able to have opportunity to play NFL QB; if not for us so many young men would be bagging groceries instead.

If DS is looking for a tax break he should open up the starting QB position to Make a Wish candidates too.

[Redskins247]

Originally Posted by mredskins

I am so happy we have such a crappy organization that QBs like TH are able to have opportunity to play NFL QB; if not for us so many young men would be bagging groceries instead.

If DS is looking for a tax break he should open up the starting QB position to Make a Wish candidates too.

Well it's directly because of DS that they're in this boat. I mean when was the last time a team just cut a QB they took in the 1st round before year 3 was finished?? Everyone in the organization advised against drafting him. At least AZ was able to trade Rosen and get something back...nope not this franchise.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Redskins247

Well it's directly because of DS that they're in this boat. I mean when was the last time a team just cut a QB they took in the 1st round before year 3 was finished?? Everyone in the organization advised against drafting him. At least AZ was able to trade Rosen and get something back...nope not this franchise.

Not to mention letting Cousins walk and trading fir Alex Smith. Just absolute incompetence from this franchise for years.

[SunnySide]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkxBO6tDZDg

^^ 40 min All 22 film breakdown of Heinike vs Chiefs game.

Guys are open, hes just not getting the ball to them.

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All this Heinike bashing aside ... the defense are reasons 1, 2 and 3 on why this start has been so demoralizing