WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021

[Scalper]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Absolutely. Could end up with a Josh Doctson at #19...

The #19 pick for Stafford would be a no-brainer.

If your FO isn't clowns, the #19 is a 10 year starter at some position.
And it will take more than #19.
Our last (2) 3rd rounders have become solid starters.
I'm guessing the deal will be a 1st, a 3rd, a 5th, something like that. A 1st, a higher pick, and a lower pick.

So four years from now, do we have:

(2) solid long term starters at say WR,CB,LB,FS, etc. who are 25 and have half a decade left in the tank minimum. And also perhaps a solid role player such as a 3rd down RB, rotational corner, backup OL, etc.
Or a QB that retired.

Such short term thinking. People never learn.
Those first round picks are the backbone of our only elite unit, DL.
The thinking should be to make other parts of the team elite with young players in similar fashion, not squandering draft capital on retread QBs.
Imagine next four years we spend picks in 1st round on QB,LT,CB,WR.
Now you are starting to talk about an elite team.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Scalper

If your FO isn't clowns, the #19 is a 10 year starter at some position.

And it will take more than #19.

Our last (2) 3rd rounders have become solid starters.

I'm guessing the deal will be a 1st, a 3rd, a 5th, something like that. A 1st, a higher pick, and a lower pick.



So four years from now, do we have:



(2) solid long term starters at say WR,CB,LB,FS, etc. who are 25 and have half a decade left in the tank minimum. And also perhaps a solid role player such as a 3rd down RB, rotational corner, backup OL, etc.

Or a QB that retired.



Such short term thinking. People never learn.

Those first round picks are the backbone of our only elite unit, DL.

The thinking should be to make other parts of the team elite with young players in similar fashion, not squandering draft capital on retread QBs.

Imagine next four years we spend picks in 1st round on QB,LT,CB,WR.

Now you are starting to talk about an elite team.

Think about 4 years from now not being able to keep the core line together and the last 4 year were spent trying to find an elite qb because you continually finished 8 and 8 and squandered the talent you had picked. There is a balance to spending for a known qb and contunually trying to find the aarron rodgers. Or are you saying that you want to endure seasons where we draft in the top 5 to "guarantee" we get a top QB prospect.

Or imagine signing a top QB for a 1st and 3rd this year and not having to risk wasting multiple first round picks in search of the right qb. In addition imagine having a FO that, with QB in place and a repeat division contender in hand, not worrying about the owner trying to replace the coach due to fan base outrage.

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[sevier2]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Think about 4 years from now not being able to keep the core line together and the last 4 year were spent trying to find an elite qb because you continually finished 8 and 8 and squandered the talent you had picked. There is a balance to spending for a known qb and contunually trying to find the aarron rodgers. Or are you saying that you want to endure seasons where we draft in the top 5 to "guarantee" we get a top QB prospect.

Or imagine signing a top QB for a 1st and 3rd this year and not having to risk wasting multiple first round picks in search of the right qb. In addition imagine having a FO that, with QB in place and a repeat division contender in hand, not worrying about the owner trying to replace the coach due to fan base outrage.

Sounds good to me. Not to mention that would make the team more attractive to future FA’s as well.

My hope is we brought in Mayhew, among other reasons, because of his ties to Stafford. Rivera might have already decided he wants to go after Stafford and brought in people he thinks can make that move work.

[Scalper]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Think about 4 years from now not being able to keep the core line together and the last 4 year were spent trying to find an elite qb because you continually finished 8 and 8 and squandered the talent you had picked. There is a balance to spending for a known qb and contunually trying to find the aarron rodgers. Or are you saying that you want to endure seasons where we draft in the top 5 to "guarantee" we get a top QB prospect.

Or imagine signing a top QB for a 1st and 3rd this year and not having to risk wasting multiple first round picks in search of the right qb. In addition imagine having a FO that, with QB in place and a repeat division contender in hand, not worrying about the owner trying to replace the coach due to fan base outrage.

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We are not getting a top QB for that little. If you had a "top" QB would you trade him for that little? NO. We are getting retreads, nothing more, guys on the downside of their careers whose best years are way behind them.

You have to have the balls to "risk" finding the franchise QB. If your GM can't find one, find a new GM period. Snyder a huge problem, no arguing that.

Rather risk a few picks and find a franchise QB, have him 5 years on rookie deal, and have position locked up for 10 years, than squander picks and need another QB in 3 years.

If your goal is to win multiple SBs, it is abundantly clear how you do that is salary cap era: draft a franchise QB. Older retreads you trade valuable picks for are fools gold. Everyone who thinks otherwise is wrong. And by the way, when the Packers drafted Rodgers, they weren't sure he was answer, so they kept drafting QBs. Virtually every team late runs in playoffs has a long term QB they drafted and developed. This is not accidental.

And again, if your GM can't find a QB, find a new GM. We are hosed with RR being defacto GM. We will be very good but never get to the mountaintop. RR will make the short term decision, as most coaches would, as it takes 1-3 years to develop a rookie. Not saying finding a QB in draft is easy, but a good GM can do it.

Snyder will always meddle. Is the goal to win the division and get blown out 1st or 2nd round of playoffs every year, or win the SB? Going to have to beat Mahomes, Rodgers, etc., eventually, and need a true franchise QB to do that. Not a retread. People just don't get it.

There actually isn't a balance to trading draft picks that are gold for QBs on the wrong side of 30 or close to it. You pay through the teeth. Then you don't have enough guys on rookie deals, overpay FA, last decade here in other words.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Scalper

If your FO isn't clowns, the #19 is a 10 year starter at some position.
And it will take more than #19.
Our last (2) 3rd rounders have become solid starters.
I'm guessing the deal will be a 1st, a 3rd, a 5th, something like that. A 1st, a higher pick, and a lower pick.

So four years from now, do we have:

(2) solid long term starters at say WR,CB,LB,FS, etc. who are 25 and have half a decade left in the tank minimum. And also perhaps a solid role player such as a 3rd down RB, rotational corner, backup OL, etc.
Or a QB that retired.

Such short term thinking. People never learn.
Those first round picks are the backbone of our only elite unit, DL.
The thinking should be to make other parts of the team elite with young players in similar fashion, not squandering draft capital on retread QBs.
Imagine next four years we spend picks in 1st round on QB,LT,CB,WR.
Now you are starting to talk about an elite team.

You're right, it will take more than the #19 pick. I've said that all along. However, if it would only take the #19 pick (fantasy world), you'd be a straight up idiot not to do that.

Like rocnik said, at least with Stafford you know what you're getting.

[Scalper]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

You're right, it will take more than the #19 pick. I've said that all along. However, if it would only take the #19 pick (fantasy world), you'd be a straight up idiot not to do that.

Like rocnik said, at least with Stafford you know what you're getting.

It isn't possible. If Cleopatra and Helen of Troy materialize in my bedroom (fantasy world), be a great threesome. Ridiculous hypotheticals are a waste of time.

And honestly, I wouldn't trade for Stafford even for the #19 straight up because it is surrendering long-term value for a short-term stopgap. We know what we're getting, a very good but not great QB who is 33 next season, and has taken an absolute beating in Detroit, and has maybe 2-3 good years left, and it will take us 2 years minimum before we can be contender. I'd rather fill a long-term hole such as LT or CB or draft a QB we have for 5 years on a rookie deal, period.

You accept we aren't close to being a contender. You continue building, including with rookie QB you draft, or two of them. You don't trade premium picks for players on the backside of their career.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Getting Stafford and mortgaging the farm aren't necessarily the same things. A 1st and a 3rd this year is about my limit. Maybe one of our 7th rounders this year or like a 5th next year is definitely my limit. I don't think that trade is mortgaging the farm.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Getting Stafford and mortgaging the farm aren't necessarily the same things. A 1st and a 3rd this year is about my limit. Maybe one of our 7th rounders this year or like a 5th next year is definitely my limit. I don't think that trade is mortgaging the farm.

Agreed.

Ian Rapoport is saying that a third of the league has called Detroit to inquire about what it will take to trade for Matthew Stafford.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Agreed.

Ian Rapoport is saying that a third of the league has called Detroit to inquire about what it will take to trade for Matthew Stafford.

Detroit should definitely hold out. They should be sitting pretty come draft time.

[rocnrik]

I’m bet he ends up in New Orleans

[Chief X_Phackter]

I really don't see how NO could do that with their cap situation.

[rocnrik]

Drafting Haskins was the worst move we could have ever made .. complete wasted opportunity to get the QB situation solved ... set us back years .. Snyder is a idiot! If we could have gotten that pick right this team would be close .. now we are still searching and scratching to figure out something ..

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by rocnrik

Drafting Haskins was the worst move we could have ever made .. complete wasted opportunity to get the QB situation solved ... set us back years .. Snyder is a idiot! If we could have gotten that pick right this team would be close .. now we are still searching and scratching to figure out something ..

Haskins definitely should have never been picked. With that said QB wise there was not many options at that spot in the draft and/ or through FA.

It was not like a CHI situation where we selected Mitch T and let Watson slide by.

A complete waste of opportunity was trading up for RG3 and letting Russell Wilson pass by.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Haskins definitely should have never been picked. With that said QB wise there was not many options at that spot in the draft and/ or through FA.

It was not like a CHI situation where we selected Mitch T and let Watson slide by.

A complete waste of opportunity was trading up for RG3 and letting Russell Wilson pass by.

They let MAHOMES AND WATSON slide by!

And McCaffrey, Fournette, Jamal Adams...

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

They let MAHOMES AND WATSON slide by!

And McCaffrey, Fournette, Jamal Adams...

So painful.