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[hooskins]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Well a.) remember that he inherited Ramsey and b.) not playing now doesn't doom Campbell to a life of failure. I just don't see the logic in the argument that all the great QBs play right away. If not, then they're ruined.

Only thing is, JC might get frustrated, and leave. Shit I would if I were him.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Well a.) remember that he inherited Ramsey and b.) not playing now doesn't doom Campbell to a life of failure. I just don't see the logic in the argument that all the great QBs play right away. If not, then they're ruined.

that's true Ramsey was inherited, but Gibbs still called Ramsey "the QB of the future" here after the 2004 season and trained him to be so. just stating the precedent.

[MTK]

Campbell didn't really blossom until his senior year.

Leinart put up some big time numbers in his 3 years and won a Heisman.

I don't think it's really fair to compare the two, or say that just because Leinart is playing well that should somehow mean that Campbell should be playing. Two different players, two different situations, and circumstances.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Campbell didn't really blossom until his senior year.

Neither did Carson Palmer...

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

Neither did Carson Palmer...

And he didn't start right away in the NFL either.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

And he didn't start right away in the NFL either.

You're right. He sat for one season and was the unquestioned starter the following season.

[RobH4413]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Only thing is, JC might get frustrated, and leave. Shit I would if I were him.

If I was behind Brunell, after being drafted in the first round... seeing the state the team was in... as a competitor, I would be itching to get in. I would be grinding my teeth in anxiety waiting for the oppurtunity... It would be frustrating.

Brunell hasn't been playing terrible, which may or may not be due to talent around him, and I feel like getting all this talent may be delaying the inevitable. Are we going to look back in a few weeks and wish we had started Campbell... probably... but theres nothing we can do about it... and I say give Brunell one more week. If we can beat INDI behind Brunell we can beat anyone. If we can't... switch it up.

I'm looking foward to the uproar when JG switches to Collins instead of Campbell.... another "vetran" guy. You watch.

[RobH4413]

Isn't it great how every thread, every where, on every planet, seems to lead to the Brunell vs. Campbell debate. Oh man...

[JGisLordOfTheRings]

Originally Posted by RobH4413

I started Marky Brunell this week..... it goes without saying...

i lost

dont feel bad ...i did too...figered the Moss/Brunell/Cooley combo would come thru....well, at least COOLEY did....

[RedskinRat]

I saw a thread on the World Health Organization this morning that blamed the Darfur issue on Joe Gibbs' reticence in starting Jason Campbell.

See? Even THEY know!

[RobH4413]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

I saw a thread on the World Health Organization this morning that blamed the Darfur issue on Joe Gibbs' reticence in starting Jason Campbell.

See? Even THEY know!

I told you, every thread... everywhere....

in the world.

[itvnetop]

Originally Posted by Crat92

Man Are you crazy? Lienart played in the weak ass pac 10! Campbell played in the BEST conference in college football bar none. THE SEC! Plus he excelled in college with 4, count'em,4 offensive coordinators! The talent around Matt Lienart made him and will continue to make him great! Why not give the kid a shot. ML is just another overhyped "prototypical" QB comin out of college!

Dude, you're drinking some extra smooth haterade if you think Leinart's success has nothing to do with his own play. Yes he had great players around him at SC and I predicted people would attribute the cardinals weapons to his NFL play if he were to be successful.

You can say all you want about SEC dominance, but if you compare the two conferences, Pac-10 definitely has a decided edge in the offensive schemes over the SEC. SEC has great defense (in addition to excellent fans and atmosphere), but their offenses are not as sophisticated as those in the Pac's.

Regardless of perceived conference strengths and weaknesses, let's not forget that Leinart played plenty on the big stage outside the Pac. When Matty stated this, I'm sure he didn't mean just conference play. Leinart's very first start in college was against Auburn in Auburn. Um, I think the score in his very first game (in a vaunted SEC stadium, btw) was 23-0 SC. Oh yeah, Reggie Bush and Lendale White were also freshmen who had never played a college snap until that game (both only combined for 15 rushing yards that evening). Let's not even mention Leinart's performances in the Rose Bowl against Michigan that season, Virginia Tech in the Kickoff Classic (in a hostile FedEx Field), and Oklahoma and Texas in two Natty's. I'd say he's performed on a big stage, outside of the Pac-10. Give the man some credit please!

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by itvnetop

You can say all you want about SEC dominance, but if you compare the two conferences, Pac-10 definitely has a decided edge in the offensive schemes over the SEC. SEC has great defense (in addition to excellent fans and atmosphere), but their offenses are not as sophisticated as those in the Pac's.

Regardless of perceived conference strengths and weaknesses, let's not forget that Leinart played plenty on the big stage outside the Pac. When Matty stated this, I'm sure he didn't mean just conference play. Leinart's very first start in college was against Auburn in Auburn. Um, I think the score in his very first game (in a vaunted SEC stadium, btw) was 23-0 SC. Oh yeah, Reggie Bush and Lendale White were also freshmen who had never played a college snap until that game (both only combined for 15 rushing yards that evening). Let's not even mention Leinart's performances in the Rose Bowl against Michigan that season, Virginia Tech in the Kickoff Classic (in a hostile FedEx Field), and Oklahoma and Texas in two Natty's. I'd say he's performed on a big stage, outside of the Pac-10. Give the man some credit please!

Offensive schemes mean nothing when the players that run them are crap. And make no misake, when Leinart was at USC, that's exactly what the rest of the PAC-10 was -- CRAP.

Playing on the "big stage" is fanspeak. Nothing else. No matter what the audience is like, for every football player in each of their own atmospheres it's the same -- they feel like the world is watching. And for every Notre Dame, Auburn, and UCLA that they played, there were 10 or 20 Stanfords, U. of Arizonas, and Hawaii. Pointing this out doesn't take anything away from Leinart's abilities, just that the comparisons to him and Campbell are more even than you and Matty think.

And just to echo the point (since no one responded the first time), either Campbell is ready to play or he's not. If you trust in Gibbs with his decisions regarding Brunell, then you have to trust in his infinite wisdom that for some reason, Campbell isn't what they thought he was -- and that's why he's not leading this offense right now.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Campbell didn't really blossom until his senior year.

Leinart put up some big time numbers in his 3 years and won a Heisman.

I don't think it's really fair to compare the two, or say that just because Leinart is playing well that should somehow mean that Campbell should be playing. Two different players, two different situations, and circumstances.

No one is saying they're the same guys with the same talents in the same situations.

But Leinart, Gradkowski and Vince Young all proved that it's not necessarily a signal of the Apocalypse if rookie quarterbacks have to play.

[Rexi]

All I have to say is that this was THE PERFECT game. It's better than if the Cards would have been blown out because of how sweet the choke job was, I love it. I am sad to see that Leinart will be stuck on the floating piece of poo franchise, I liked him at SC and he looks like the best rookie QB since Marino. They need to fire Green ASAP and get a coach that isn't a complete f***tard. As bad as Grossman is when he's blitzed, I think that he still rips our D apart in two weeks unless we magically find a pass rush before the game.