Gun Control Thread- Should we?

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

No, not really.....

AUSTRALIA: MORE VIOLENT CRIME DESPITE GUN BAN

Even Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:

• In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
• Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
• Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.

Moreover, Australia and the United States -- where no gun-ban exists -- both experienced similar decreases in murder rates:

• Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America's rate dropped 31.7 percent.
• During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
• Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
• Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
• At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8 percent: rape dropped 19.2 percent; robbery decreased 33.2 percent; aggravated assault dropped 32.2 percent.
• Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.

But at least criminals aren't getting shot, so that's nice.....

Any stats involving just percents are useless. A percent is always the easiest "number" to manipulate when analysing. Why ad companies use percent all the time.

Example:

Koons Chevy was down 20% in car sales in 2012 compared to Jimmy John's Rust Bucket Lot who was up 10% in sales.

Looks like Jimmy John cleaned house in 2012. Right?

Koons Total Cars Sold 2012: 1200
Jimmy Johns Cars Sold 2012: 11

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Any stats involving just percents are useless. A percent is always the easiest "number" to manipulate when analysing.

Your stat example is misleading as you're comparing two different dealerships, I am using their stats where they take the same crime and compare it in different years.

Do you see the difference?

So the stats I cited stand up to examination, yours clearly wouldn't as you're comparing apples and oranges. Nice try though. I'll give you 2/10 for effort.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I heard the pop, pop, pop, of a gun not a firework. I to have fireworks louder then a gun and heard fireworks on new years louder I just know the sound of a gun.

Yeah. Sitting in the field across the street from my house, we heard one burst of automatic fire and several shots from semiautomatics. Normal for downtown Baltimore. Actually heard fewer shots than in the past.

Still remember the time I celebrated New Year's Eve with a friend a couple blocks away and, while standing in the driveway, two guys across the street stepped out of a doorway and started blasting away into the air. One had a hand gun the other an automatic rifle ... We went back inside quickly.

[mlmpetert]

FBI: Hammers, Clubs Kill More People Than Rifles, Shotguns « CBS DC

Interestingly, the guy who started a fire in New York and then shot and killed firefighters, had previsouly killed his 90 year old grandmother by hammer. Shockingly, beating a 90 year old to death with a hammer only warrented a conviction of manslaughter. I wonder what he would have been convicted of if he shot her?

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

FBI: Hammers, Clubs Kill More People Than Rifles, Shotguns « CBS DC

Interestingly, the guy who started a fire in New York and then shot and killed firefighters, had previsouly killed his 90 year old grandmother by hammer. Shockingly, beating a 90 year old to death with a hammer only warrented a conviction of manslaughter. I wonder what he would have been convicted of if he shot her?

Parole, maybe a demerit on his permanent record?

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[JoeRedskin]

Just some food for thought:

Let's take politics out of gun research - CNN.com

[RedskinRat]

Why have a high cap magazine?

Here's why:


A woman hiding in her attic with children shot an intruder multiple times before fleeing to safety Friday.

The incident happened at a home on Henderson Ridge Lane in Loganville around 1 p.m. The woman was working in an upstairs office when she spotted a strange man outside a window, according to Walton County Sheriff Joe Chapman. He said she took her 9-year-old twins to a crawlspace before the man broke in using a crowbar.

But the man eventually found the family.

"The perpetrator opens that door. Of course, at that time he's staring at her, her two children and a .38 revolver," Chapman told Channel 2’s Kerry Kavanaugh.

The woman then shot him five times, but he survived, Chapman said. He said the woman ran out of bullets but threatened to shoot the intruder if he moved.

"She's standing over him, and she realizes she's fired all six rounds. And the guy's telling her to quit shooting," Chapman said.

[RedskinRat]

So lead is to blame, but not in bullet form:

America's Real Criminal Element: Lead

Intriguingly, violent crime rates followed the same upside-down U pattern. The only thing different was the time period: Crime rates rose dramatically in the '60s through the '80s, and then began dropping steadily starting in the early '90s. The two curves looked eerily identical, but were offset by about 20 years.

So Nevin dove in further, digging up detailed data on lead emissions and crime rates to see if the similarity of the curves was as good as it seemed. It turned out to be even better: In a 2000 paper (PDF) he concluded that if you add a lag time of 23 years, lead emissions from automobiles explain 90 percent of the variation in violent crime in America. Toddlers who ingested high levels of lead in the '40s and '50s really were more likely to become violent criminals in the '60s, '70s, and '80s.

It's an interesting idea, I'd like to see more research. I was tempted to set this as a new thread.

[Alvin Walton]

Here we go....welcome to totalitarian America.

Biden: Obama exploring executive orders to combat gun violence - CNN.com

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Here we go....welcome to totalitarian America.

Biden: Obama exploring executive orders to combat gun violence - CNN.com

I predict that by the end of The One's second term guns will be banned. All guns.

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

I predict that by the end of The One's second term guns will be banned. All guns.

Well yea, maybe, if the wrong people lose the civil war.

[RedskinRat]

From the CNN article:

"I do not believe it is the government's right to know what I own, nor do I think it prudent to tell you what I own so that it may be taken from me by a group of people who enjoy armed protection yet decry me having the same a crime."

I wonder if people are actually taking notice of how they're being led by the nose on this issue. Anyone remember how after Hurricane Katrina registered gun owners had their firearms confiscated?

[Monkeydad]

Ridiculous:


Gawker Publishes Complete 446-Page List of ‘All the A**holes Who Own Guns in New York City’ | TheBlaze.com



Website publishes names of licensed NYC gun owners


Here Is a List of All the Assholes Handsome Law-Abiding Citizens Who Own Guns Some People in New York City

http://www.lohud.com/interactive/art...nclick_check=1

The website Gawker has outdone New York’s “Journal News” and published the names of all licensed gun owners in New York City. With the provocative headline, “Here Is a List of All the A**holes Who Own Guns in New York City,” John Cook provides a 446-page list of every licensed gun owner in NYC, obtained two-and-a-half years ago via a Freedom of Information Act request.
“Below is a 446-page list of every licensed gun owner in New York City…Because the NYPD is more interested in raping and/or eating ladies and spying on Muslims than it is in honoring public records law, the list contains only the names, and not the addresses, of the licensees,” Cook writes.
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The Journal News sparked outrage when it published the names and addresses of pistol permit holders in Westchester and Rockland Counties. The paper wanted to also publish the information of gun owners in Putnam County, N.Y., but so far the county has refused, saying providing the information would put the public in danger.
As Cook correctly points out, section 400.00 of the Penal Law of New York, entitled “Licenses to carry, possess, repair and dispose of firearms,” makes addresses of licensed gun owners public information. “The name and address of any person to whom an application for any license has been granted shall be a public record,” the law states.

NEW YORK - Gawker, a Manhattan-based gossip site, has posted a searchable list of licensed gun owners in New York City, following a move last month by a newspaper in nearby Westchester County to publish a map of pistol permit holders.
The information was obtained from the New York Police Department via a Freedom of Information Law request in 2009, Gawker writer John Cook said Tuesday in a posting on the blog, which is owned by Gawker Media. The 446-page list dates from 2 1/2 years ago and contains names but not addresses.
The move thrusts Gawker into a growing debate over gun control and the privacy rights of firearms owners, sparked by the shooting deaths of 20 children at a Connecticut elementary school on Dec. 14.
The White Plains, N.Y.-based Journal News drew an outcry last month when it published a map showing the names and addresses of area handgun owners, seeking to better inform readers about firearms in their neighborhoods.
Other community newspapers have criticized the Journal News for singling out people who have obtained permits legally and putting them at risk.
"What they've done is point out all these homes to criminals and burglars," William J. Pape II, publisher of the Waterbury, Conn., Republican-American, said in an interview.

Then:

Inmates using newspaper's gun owner map to threaten guards, sheriff says | Fox News

Law enforcement officials from a New York region where a local paper published a map identifying gun owners say prisoners are using the information to intimidate guards.

Rockland County Sheriff Louis Falco, who spoke at a news conference flanked by other county officials, said the Journal News' decision to post an online map of names and addresses of handgun owners Dec. 23 has put law enforcement officers in danger.

"They have inmates coming up to them and telling them exactly where they live. That's not acceptable to me," Falco said, according to Newsday.

Robert Riley, an officer with the White Plains Police Department and president of its Patrolman’s Benevolent Association, agreed.

"You have guys who work in New York City who live up here. Now their names and addresses are out there, too," he said adding that there are 8,000 active and retired NYPD officers currently living in Rockland County.

Local lawmakers also say that they intend to introduce legislation that prevents information about legal gun owners from being released to the public.

The newspaper published the online map last month alongside an article titled, "The gun owner next door: What you don't know about the weapons in your neighborhood." The map included the names and addresses of pistol permit holders in Westchester and Rockland counties obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request.

While the paper ostensibly sought to make a point about gun proliferation in the wake of the school shooting in Newtown, Conn., the effort may have backfired. A blogger reacted with a map showing where key editorial staffers live, and some outraged groups have called for a boycott of parent company Gannett’s national advertisers. Ironically, the newspaper has now stationed armed guards outside at least one of its offices.

The fair follow-up:

[RedskinRat]

Marie Antoinette style policy making

President Barack Obama on Thursday signed into a law a measure giving him, George W. Bush and future former presidents and their spouses lifetime Secret Service protection, the White House announced.

We don't need guns for protection, we have people for that.

<puke>

[Giantone]

...and these two are gun owners.


Gabby Giffords and Mark Kelly launch campaign against gun violence on second anniversary of Tucson shooting - NY Daily News

Former Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and her astronaut husband launched a campaign to change America’s gun policies on Tuesday — the second anniversary of the Tucson, Ariz., shooting that killed six and left her critically wounded.

They announced the formation of a political action committee called Americans for Responsible Solutions to counter the influence of the gun lobby and fight for tougher gun controls.

Giffords and her husband, Mark Kelly, said they envisioned a life out of the public eye following her shooting and retirement from Congress — but that changed after the shooting that killed 26 people, mostly children, in Newtown, Conn., last month.

Giffords, who was shot in the head, walks with a limp and struggles to say more than a few words at a time, but her message is clear.
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“Enough,” she told ABC’s Diane Sawyer in an interview broadcast Tuesday.
Her husband was more vocal.

“After the shooting in Tucson, there was talk about addressing some of these issues,[and] again after [the movie-theater shooting in] Aurora, Colo.,” Kelly said.

“I’m hopeful that this time is different, and I think it is. Twenty first-graders being murdered in their classrooms is a very personal thing for everybody.”

The couple visited Newtown last week to meet with some of the families of the 20 young victims.

“Strength,” Giffords said she told them.

Kelly added: “Gabby often told them, ‘You got to have strength. You got to fight for something.’ ”


Read more: Gabby Giffords and Mark Kelly launch campaign against gun violence on second anniversary of Tucson shooting - NY Daily News