Who is Kirk Cousins?

[NoCalHail]

My worry is that in the modern day NFL it is harder to not only build, but maintain a "super" team. This isn't the 80's or even early 90's where you can just hoard talent continually. You draft for 3-4 seasons, need to hit on most picks and then you have that 2-3 year window before the bills come in and you better have replenished the roster with new and equally as good draft picks. That is the only way to do it without an elite QB.

The Patriots have been the most consistent team in the last decade and more, because of their QB. With that said finding a Tom Brady is probably more unlikely than building a contender the other way, but most teams that win consistently it is because the QB is at that elite level and suddenly other pieces on the team become extremely inter-changeable.

I'd rather not be in the situation where you need the rest of the team to be so good everywhere so the margin of error with the QB can be bigger. Look at the Seahawks right now, how quickly they fell from grace. Their defense just got a few steps slower/older and suddenly Russell Wilson's margin for error is tiny, unlike his first few years in the league when he was able to make a fair number of mistakes in games and the team would still win. What is he going to be long term? Who knows. Colin Kapernick? Do people remember that scrub took a team to the Superbowl? Then the roster around him became average and he is probably done forever as a starter.

There are different routes to making a contender, but I still think the most proven way starts with an elite QB.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by NoCalHail

There are different routes to making a contender, but I still think the most proven way starts with an elite QB.

If we aren't one of the 3 or 4 teams that gets one in a given generation, I could settle for a winning team built the other way.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by NoCalHail

There are different routes to making a contender, but I still think the most proven way starts with an elite QB.

No shit, Sherlock! Do you happen to know where we can get one prior to the start of the 2016 season?

[NoCalHail]

Yeah the results with Cousins as QB haven't been all that much different than with Robert. There are some things Cousins does better considering he has been running a pro-"like" system for a longer time than Robert, but when all is said and done our offense is still pretty subpar. The talent level of the team is not where it needs to be in order to contend, but is anyone really going to try and make an argument that the talent around the QB in 2015 is not way better than it was in 2012-2014?

Regardless of which side you fall on in the "who is the better option" discussion, I don't think anyone was arguing that there weren't some things that Cousins was flat out better than over Robert. The question for me has always been, do you give Robert the reps and time to try and learn the rest while he is playing out his rookie contract while being on a team that isn't likely to sniff more than 6 wins regardless of who is QB? Especially if you don't think Cousins is the long term answer at the QB spot either.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by NoCalHail

The question for me has always been, do you give Robert the reps and time to try and learn the rest while he is playing out his rookie contract while being on a team that isn't likely to sniff more than 6 wins regardless of who is QB? Especially if you don't think Cousins is the long term answer at the QB spot either.

That question has already been answered by Jay Gruden who is hitching his wagon to Kirk Cousin's star.

BTW, it took you long enough to get around to your true agenda which is to promote the idea that RGIII should be playing. You might get your wish if things go rapidly downhill for the Skins, thus allowing RGIII to outlast Gruden and Cousins.

[NoCalHail]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

That question has already been answered by Jay Gruden who is hitching his wagon to Kirk Cousin's star.

BTW, it took you long enough to get around to your true agenda which is to promote the idea that RGIII should be playing. You might get your wish if things go rapidly downhill for the Skins allowing RGIII to outlast Gruden and Cousins.

The only "agenda" I have is for the 'Skins to win games. Right now they are 3-5, most likely on their way to another losing season with a QB that a lot of this fanbase is/was convinced was going to make a huge difference for the offense.

I am not judging Kirk's play against Robert's play. I am judging Kirk's play based on what I see Kirk do. I want him to succeed. If he is who the coaches and management feel is fit for the role, I want him to evolve into "the man" but it doesn't mean he just automatically gets some kind of benefit of the doubt. He is not a 23 year old rookie. He is someone who likely is going to have to show a lot in the 2nd half of the season because a quick decision is going to have to be made on what to do with him going forward as he becomes a free agent.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by NoCalHail

The only "agenda" I have is for the 'Skins to win games. Right now they are 3-5, most likely on their way to another losing season with a QB that a lot of this fanbase is/was convinced was going to make a huge difference for the offense.

I am not judging Kirk's play against Robert's play. I am judging Kirk's play based on what I see Kirk do. I want him to succeed. If he is who the coaches and management feel is fit for the role, I want him to evolve into "the man" but it doesn't mean he just automatically gets some kind of benefit of the doubt. He is not a 23 year old rookie. He is someone who likely is going to have to show a lot in the 2nd half of the season because a quick decision is going to have to be made on what to do with him going forward as he becomes a free agent.

the huge difference not being Kirk would be a pro bowler but the world of difference being we could move away from the simpleton 1 read passing plays and call actual passing plays based off reading, timing, anticipation, progressions, pocket awareness etc.

you know, all the things every QB in this league can do besides RG3 and johnny manziel.

that with Kirk we could call real NFL passing plays with the Qb taking the right steps and being able to read and deliver the ball with actual progressions.

watching RG3 struggle with the simplest of concepts and having our play calling reduced to simple 1 read johnny manziel type stuff was the world we wanted to move on from.

kirk is the best option available .... and hes actual playing pretty well and its exciting to watch his progression.

the fan base going into this year was hoping to run the ball and stop the run. that is what every coach and scot said would be our brand of football.

unfortunately, we havent ran for more than 51 yards in 4 games now.

We ran for a team total of 37 yards last week.

no one ever said cousins would be a pro bowler. no one ever said cousins is the solution but he has been a bright spot regardless of what a handful of fans think to the contrary. the fact that there are so few of fans with your opinion is positive. it will never be 100%.

this thread is killing me.

[NoCalHail]

So few fans with what opinion, that Kirk Cousins has been about an average QB in 2015 so far? Where do his statistics put him against his peers exactly? Who said he wasn't the best option on the roster? I certainly didn't.

All I said was that this is likely going to be another losing season and that IMO, Cousins hasn't done enough yet to show he deserves a long term commitment from the organization going forward. It doesn't mean he can/t/won't get better moving forward but it doesn't mean he will either, we will have to wait and see.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by NoCalHail

So few fans with what opinion, that Kirk Cousins has been about an average QB in 2015 so far? Where do his statistics put him against his peers exactly? Who said he wasn't the best option on the roster? I certainly didn't.

All I said was that this is likely going to be another losing season and that IMO, Cousins hasn't done enough yet to show he deserves a long term commitment from the organization going forward. It doesn't mean he can/t/won't get better moving forward but it doesn't mean he will either, we will have to wait and see.

The only thing Cousins has done is wait his turn...he hasn't played like he's the answer at the QB position. Far from it...he should remain only for the reasons he was drafted.... and that was for depth purposes....

[TheMalcolmConnection]

I think Kirk's ceiling is an above average QB which is something we haven't had in freaking forever. People saying he's not the answer, do you mean he's not elite? Those type of QBs are few and far between. I'd put him in the top 15 of the league. I can name a handful better (elite) and a bunch you'd have to give me a convincing argument that they are better than him. For example, is Ryan Fitzpatrick better than Cousins?

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I think Kirk's ceiling is an above average QB which is something we haven't had in freaking forever. People saying he's not the answer, do you mean he's not elite? Those type of QBs are few and far between. I'd put him in the top 15 of the league. I can name a handful better (elite) and a bunch you'd have to give me a convincing argument that they are better than him. For example, is Ryan Fitzpatrick better than Cousins?

Are you kidding me? Kirk Cousins had the lowest score of any player in the league after the week 5 loss to the NYJ....

[TheMalcolmConnection]

If I sit down and think about mediocre QBs, I want to lump him in there, but then I also think of a few plays that I'm like, "Damn, that's impressive." Personally, I think if Russell Wilson wasn't mobile, he would compare favorably to Kirk Cousins at this point in his career.

[Hog1]

Did he play in any other games this year? How did he fare in those? How did other QB's fare against the Jets D this year?

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Did he play in any other games this year? How did he fare in those? How did other QB's fare against the Jets D this year?

He has 10 TDs, 9 INTs, 1,954 yards passing, a 66.% completion score....and a 82.9 QB RATING.....

These are average numbers at best... at the rate he's going he will end up having 20 TDs and possibly 19 or 20 INTs and 3500 yards....this is on par with the playing ability of a second string quarterback...Cousins is simply not starting material....a quarterback like this will undoubtedly and greatly contribute to a NFL team's 5-11, 6-10, or 7-9 record....

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

He has 10 TDs, 9 INTs, 1,954 yards passing, a 66.% completion score....and a 82.9 QB RATING.....

These are average numbers at best... at the rate he's going he will end up having 20 TDs and possibly 19 or 20 INTs and 3500 yards....this is on par with the playing ability of a second string quarterback...Cousins is simply not starting material....a quarterback like this will undoubtedly and greatly contribute to a NFL team's 5-11, 6-10, or 7-9 record....

Who expected better this year? AND it is largely been served with half of his starting cast watching from the sidelines. Yet, he shows definite positive signs and signs of evolution. If he continues...who knows. KC may indeed prove to be something other than a starter in this league, but it is far more prudent to let the basis of that decision be.....Proven rather than speculated on.