Update: McCain Selects Gov. Sarah Palin as Running Mate

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by firstdown

The reason people think her speach was so good is because two weeks ago she was unknown to most Americans. Then she had to endure all the stuff said about her and her family then go on a National stage and make a record breaking acceptance speach in front of the whole world. Yes, the world does watch our elections.

Record breaking??? How can you beat a record in a speech??? Was her's the quickest speech ever.

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Record breaking??? How can you beat a record in a speech??? Was her's the quickest speech ever.

I think he means "first ever" as in the first time a woman has accepted the republican nomination for vice president.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Angry

I am not at all being sarcastic about this. I understand that Politicians are expected to be good public speakers, but what is the relevance really? Being able to speak well in public or not does not indicate your ability to govern people. Talk is cheap, show me your ability through your actions.

I am not taking a shot at either the Dems or the Reps. I am just saying who gives a shit about how good of a public speaker the president or vice president is? He or she could be a deaf mute as long as they make wise decisions.

True, a great speaker does not necessarily mean he/she is a great leader. BUT, from someone who is running the country we should have a certain expectation when it comes to being able to communicate effectively.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Angry

I am not at all being sarcastic about this. I understand that Politicians are expected to be good public speakers, but what is the relevance really? Being able to speak well in public or not does not indicate your ability to govern people. Talk is cheap, show me your ability through your actions.

I am not taking a shot at either the Dems or the Reps. I am just saying who gives a shit about how good of a public speaker the president or vice president is? He or she could be a deaf mute as long as they make wise decisions.

I do absolutely agree, but like Matty points out, they need to be able to communicate effectively. As long as that happens, I'm ok with less than stellar eloquence.
Nothing would scare me more than to hear this:
"Like, hello everyone, my name is like Lindsay, and I'm running for like Senanator...no like wait, I'm running for like presidentialey like man. Or like woman, depending on your like preference."

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by jsarno

I do absolutely agree, but like Matty points out, they need to be able to communicate effectively. As long as that happens, I'm ok with less than stellar eloquence.
Nothing would scare me more than to hear this:
"Like, hello everyone, my name is like Lindsay, and I'm running for like Senanator...no like wait, I'm running for like presidentialey like man. Or like woman, depending on your like preference."

LOL, yes communicating effectively (to your cabinet) is a necessity, telling me how great you are while bashing someone else (verbally) in a public forum is not my idea of effective communication. It is more like watching WWE.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Some things should not be motivated by profit.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

Some things should not be motivated by profit.

It's profit that has motivated the great advances we have in medicine today.

Please tell me one technological or medical advance that has come from Government....you might find one or two rare instances, but innovation comes from the private sector and their motive is profit.

What great technological or medical innovations come from Communist countries, few or none because there is little to no profit motive to innovate.

EDIT: Improving patient care and service are also motivated by profit. If there is no profit motive, organizations will do the minimum to just get by.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

It's profit that has motivated the great advances we have in medicine today.

Please tell me one technological or medical advance that has come from Government....you might find one or two rare instances, but innovation comes from the private sector and their motive is profit.

What great technological or medical innovations come from Communist countries, few or none because there is little to no profit motive to innovate.

EDIT: Improving patient care and service are also motivated by profit. If there is no profit motive, organizations will do the minimum to just get by.

First of all, when I say that some things should not be motivated by profit, I do not imply that Government is the fix. There are more than two sides to this discussion.

The point I was trying to make is this:

Businesses seek to maximize profit at all costs. This leads to unethical behavior -- something I'd like to keep out of health care.

@Schneed: you make it sound like hospitals are happy just breaking even. If that's the case, why would they even be in business? Isn't the point of a business to make profit?

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

First of all, when I say that some things should not be motivated by profit, I do not imply that Government is the fix. There are more than two sides to this discussion.

The point I was trying to make is this:

Businesses seek to maximize profit at all costs. This leads to unethical behavior -- something I'd like to keep out of health care.

@Schneed: you make it sound like hospitals are happy just breaking even. If that's the case, why would they even be in business? Isn't the point of a business to make profit?

I pray their number one goal is saving lives not making a profit.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

Businesses seek to maximize profit at all costs. This leads to unethical behavior -- something I'd like to keep out of health care.

While there are definitely abuses and unethical actions that happen. There are checks to unethical behavior in the current system; all the health care providers are regulated in some form or another. Breaches of these regulations are extremely costly (hurting profitability). Also if the abuses warrant a lawsuit, defending and/or losing is extremely costly (hurting profitability). So while a business or corporation's sole function is to maximize profit (not a bad thing), it's not done "at all costs". That's why there is a framework of government regulations and the threat of lawsuits to protect the patients against abuses and unethical behavior.

Does our healthcare system have issues to address, absolutely. But assuming the majority of them are caused by dark motives of profit-mongering corporations is not the best way find the solutions IMO.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

While there are definitely abuses and unethical actions that happen. There are checks to unethical behavior in the current system; all the health care providers are regulated in some form or another. Breaches of these regulations are extremely costly (hurting profitability). Also if the abuses warrant a lawsuit, defending and/or losing is extremely costly (hurting profitability). So while a business or corporation's sole function is to maximize profit (not a bad thing), it's not done "at all costs". That's why there is a framework of government regulations and the threat of lawsuits to protect the patients against abuses and unethical behavior.

Does our healthcare system have issues to address, absolutely. But assuming the majority of them are caused by dark motives of profit-mongering corporations is not the best way find the solutions IMO.

You're wrong -- profit is paramount, and no cost is too great if it means maximizing profits. It is the executive duty to the shareholders.

There have been several cases throughout history which exemplify this attitude.

Also, I'm not assuming the majority of issues are caused by profit-seekers. I just heard a lot of talk about how private medicine is better, because it's profit driven. Well, profit isn't the best motivator IMO.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

First of all, when I say that some things should not be motivated by profit, I do not imply that Government is the fix. There are more than two sides to this discussion.

The point I was trying to make is this:

Businesses seek to maximize profit at all costs. This leads to unethical behavior -- something I'd like to keep out of health care.

@Schneed: you make it sound like hospitals are happy just breaking even. If that's the case, why would they even be in business? Isn't the point of a business to make profit?

Then you've drastically misunderstood me. Hospitals do try to make a profit, it's just that many simply can't in this environment of rising costs. So their sole goal becomes to try to simply stay open.

Either way it's the same goal: make money for profit or make money to stay open. Either way the goal is to reach a money target.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Then you've drastically misunderstood me. Hospitals do try to make a profit, it's just that many simply can't in this environment of rising costs. So their sole goal becomes to try to simply stay open.

Either way it's the same goal: make money for profit or make money to stay open. Either way the goal is to reach a money target.

It's just hard for me to believe a hospital would be satisfied breaking even, and keep their doors open in that condition -- especially in this environment of rising costs.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

Some things should not be motivated by profit.

Ha, profit. That's funny.

Hospitals aren't motivated by profit, they're motivated by trying to break even and keep the doors open.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Ha, profit. That's funny.

Hospitals aren't motivated by profit, they're motivated by trying to break even and keep the doors open.

schneed, how much money did your C.E.O/ president make last year?