Haynesworth is Behaving Selfishly

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

its all about the money imo. AH is set to make 3.6, 5.4 and 6 something mil over the next 3 seasons respectively.

all this 3-4 and training talk is just hot air. AH thought he would be headed out of DC by now with 32 mil in his pocket and another team ready to re-sign him to another contract.

he didnt get traded. allen didnt blink. now we are in a rather odd and uncomfortable position. The new coach's initial and limited interaction with AH didnt go well. when AH does show up, i imagine its gonna be weird.

I don't see it even being that honestly. The guy really wanted to select a team that he'd fit in with (or that would fit in with him) it seems, based on actual reports.

[53Fan]

If you're a reporter with a deadline and there's not much to report.....speculate.....develop scenarios...whatever. This s**t sells. Just look at how many people post excerpts from these articles that are based on nothing but speculation. It seems like this time of year when there isn't much to report, the sports version of National Enquirer journalism comes out in full force.

WTF.....Brett Favre is really an alien who must return to his pod between the months of February and September. That would explain why he misses camp.

[over the mountain]

i know tryful, im out here on my own lil conspiracy island. I saw BHA's ship cruise by, i thought she might head over and drop anchor for awhile but she had other plans.

oh well.

its really not that bad out here once you get used to talking to yourself.

[Defensewins]

The Sports Radio station here in Houston prefaced a segment this morning by saying, 'Well now is the time of year for the OTA volunteer workouts, and like every year a player or two from every team skips out and the media and fans blow it way out of proportion. Well today Andre Johnson did not report so get ready for....'
Right on time the articles calling Andre Johnson an agitator, greedy, evil have started. The difference is the local fans here do not care about who misses a volunteer work outs. Where as in DC every working class Joe is up in arms about Haynesworth not reporting because of his contract and that some how in their eyes makes him a mandatory attendee going AWOL. What a joke.

[MTK]

This dead horse has been beaten, raped, and burned at the stake. My lord.

[SkinsFanOttawa]

Hi guys this is my first post here on this site... Here's my 2 cents on Fat Albert - All I know is he better come to next month's mandatory camp in GREAT shape, not like the out of shape lard he was last year. He is going to hear it and I'm glad guys like Phillip Daniels and Mike Williams are piping up and not standing by idly. That is the problem though it was start causing division at some point and they may be better of trading him for a 2nd and 4th. I just am not sure what's the best thing to do I think it's a delimma. That Fat Albert Dilemma is what it is.

[GTripp0012]

I'll say that if I ran the Redskins, I wouldn't have been in on the Haynesworth sweepstakes at all. I wasn't against his signing, and I actually think we got a pretty good contract, all things considered, but we didn't have a need there, and signing a 28 year old DT is ultimately counterproductive towards the goal of cultivating young talent. The last thing this team needs is to be reliant on a $50 million player approaching 30 who is piling up quite the injury history.

Of course, film shows that he's utterly unblockable against the run, and has rare pass rushing skills to boot, so it's not like there's a defensive coach in the league that can't find a spot on a defense for Haynesworth. You just can't build around him.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I'll say that if I ran the Redskins, I wouldn't have been in on the Haynesworth sweepstakes at all. I wasn't against his signing, and I actually think we got a pretty good contract, all things considered, but we didn't have a need there, and signing a 28 year old DT is ultimately counterproductive towards the goal of cultivating young talent. The last thing this team needs is to be reliant on a $50 million player approaching 30 who is piling up quite the injury history.

Of course, film shows that he's utterly unblockable against the run, and has rare pass rushing skills to boot, so it's not like there's a defensive coach in the league that can't find a spot on a defense for Haynesworth. You just can't build around him.

Safe to say Allen/Shanahan wouldn't have been either, but it's their mess to clean up now.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I'll say that if I ran the Redskins, I wouldn't have been in on the Haynesworth sweepstakes at all. I wasn't against his signing, and I actually think we got a pretty good contract, all things considered, but we didn't have a need there, and signing a 28 year old DT is ultimately counterproductive towards the goal of cultivating young talent. The last thing this team needs is to be reliant on a $50 million player approaching 30 who is piling up quite the injury history.

Of course, film shows that he's utterly unblockable against the run, and has rare pass rushing skills to boot, so it's not like there's a defensive coach in the league that can't find a spot on a defense for Haynesworth. You just can't build around him.

Disagree (emphatically). If Albert wants to be the best in history at DT, as he says, he'll play at a high level for another 5 or 6 years at least; therefor being one of if not the most dominant defensive players in the game. That's plenty to build around. In fact good common sense might suggest having a player like Albert on your roster (already) is like a gift from the Almighty.

That Allen/Shanny/Haslett decided to take the defense in a completely different direction...that's the real issue, not Albert. Maybe their plan works out. But history, one might say, is not on their side. Shanny has always struggled to keep his defensive unit on track, and Haslett has struggled to build up his defense. I hope they get it right this time...

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by The Goat

That Allen/Shanny/Haslett decided to take the defense in a completely different direction...that's the real issue, not Albert. Maybe their plan works out. But history, one might say, is not on their side. Shanny has always struggled to keep his defensive unit on track, and Haslett has struggled to build up his defense. I hope they get it right this time...

Sadly, this gets lost on all the overhype and AH hating. To me personally, switching to the 3-4 created more needs on defense, to a team that already had a ton of needs on offense, some needs on defense, and did not have many resources in the draft. While I'm not going to make the argument that the previous defense we had was a good one, I think things would have been easier if we stayed in the 4-3.

Defensive Ends: Orakpo at full time DE, Andre Carter (who had a very good season last year), an up and coming Jarmon, and good depth with Daniels, Wilson, and Alexander would have been great in the 4-3. Instead, with the 3-4 a lot of these guys are being switched to LBs to learn a new position, we are putting Carter to a position where he wasn't too successful in the past, and counting old 3-4 DEs like Daniels and Holliday. And the best guy that would fit as a 3-4 DE is being considered more as a NT. Orakpo is the only one that wins out of this bunch.

Defensive Tackles: We wouldn't be dealing with this Haynesworth mess right now, and we could have brought other DTs to replace Griffin. Instead with the 3-4 we opened a huge need in the NT, and want to waste a dominant, upfield pass rusher with the cumbersome job of a NT. Oh and his back up is a guy coming off a pretty bad injury, and a whole bunch journeymen.

LBs: This was probably the greatest area of need in our old defense, and would have been a need this season in a 4-3 defense. But at least we would have had a MLB in Fletch, and Rocky as a OLB (and we could have picked up our other OLB in the draft and/or free safety). On our 3-4 defense, we have a whole bunch of converted DEs as OLBs, Fletch may be too small to play ILB, and we are counting on a rookie to possibly be our other ILB. And we have yet to bring in any LBs with 3-4 experience. As I've said before, the only winner here is Orakpo.

Free Safety: A need on either defense that I feel the FO is not even thinking about.

So there you have it. I wish Shanahan had left the defense alone, improve it with players, but keep it the way it is. Now I feel we go into the season with question marks in both sides of the ball. I know there has been good change in the way this team is run, but I just don't see the need to make such a huge change in defense. Someone said in the past that Shanahan will make a bonehead move every now and then (i.e. Clarett) and I feel this may be his.

As any good fan, I truly hope the defense works out, but my gut feeling tells me that is going to be a tough year in that side of the ball.

[12thMan]

I know JLC doesn't have a sterling reputation around here, but I wouldn't be quick to dismiss his reporting on the Haynesworth situation.

Whatever the case may or may not be, all these reports can't be wrong.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I know JLC doesn't have a sterling reputation around here, but I wouldn't be quick to dismiss his reporting on the Haynesworth situation.

Whatever the case may or may not be, all these reports can't be wrong.

I don't think they are "wrong" per se, but instead a seed of truth has been fertilized with a WHOLE LOTTA manure.

[NYCskinfan82]

Welcome to THE WARPATH, it's voluntary should he be here YES i'll take him for his word he's working out with his own trainer. If AH shows up to camp out of shape don't trade him just let him ride the pine, i don't beleive he will show up out of shape but IF.

[Ruhskins]

A good piece from Matt Williamson (a Scouts Inc guy) in looking at the Redskins without Haynesworth from a football standpoint.

The Big Question: Replacing Haynesworth - NFC East Blog - ESPN

I still don't understand why would fans want AH out of here.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

A good piece from Matt Williamson (a Scouts Inc guy) in looking at the Redskins without Haynesworth from a football standpoint.

The Big Question: Replacing Haynesworth - NFC East Blog - ESPN

I still don't understand why would fans want AH out of here.

I can't speak for everyone, but if I beleived that Haynesworth was motivated to do everything possible to be the best player possible in this new scheme and would give 100% to doing whatever the coaches asked him to do, there's no way i'd even consider getting rid of him. He's just to dominant when he wants to be. However, a number of factors make me believe that we won't be getting much effort from Haynesworth and he'll be a problem child as long as he's here. If we can get good value for him, we should trade him. If not, we just have to hope he decides at some point to commit 100% to his new role.