The Official Defense Has Major Issues/Fire Jim Haslett Thread

[jsarno]

the clock may change, but this place remains the same.

[GTripp0012]

I also didn't really like our coverage schemes in this game, as they were just a little bland for my liking. With Moore back in there, I hope we would disguise more stuff to confuse Bradford, but we played a lot of cover three and defined reads for him. Not a cardinal sin, but certainly a missed opportunity.

Still way too many "hole in zone" throws against Hall/Moore/Landry.

[mooby]

I guess we'll find out in the next 1-3 weeks we can get better at executing in the 3-4. I don't think the season is over but it will be if all these good teams we are about to play light us up on defense. We're heading into the hardest part of our schedule and how we play these next few games will determine what kind of team we will be this year. Hopefully the problems get solved and we can still have an effective defense this season.

[SirClintonPortis]

If you go to "Guide to N.F.L. Defenses, Part 1", it explains the different d-linemen techniques and might give us insight into why Haynesworth didn't want to play in the 3-4. In the article, Warren Sapp said the year he switched from a 4-3 tackle to a 3-4 end was the hardest year in his life.

://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/06/guide-to-n-f-l-defenses-part-1/

Yep, when David-freaking-no-pocket-presence-easily-rattled-shitty-qb-Carr says "we aren't afraid of you" to one of the greatest D-linemen ever and is RIGHT about what he's saying, I don't see how the **** Shanahan gets away with such a blatant misuse of AH's talent. And Sapp wasn't playing NT, he was playing a 3-4 DE.

[MTK]

When I see a guy like Alexander changing positions year to year, doing so willingly and succeeding instead of bitching and playing the poor me routine, I really have a hard time feeling any pity for an overpaid brat like AH.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

When I see a guy like Alexander changing positions year to year, doing so willingly and succeeding instead of bitching and playing the poor me routine, I really have a hard time feeling any pity for an overpaid brat like AH.

Then I guess we should force Landry to play FS like he's always been or put DHall into a shutdown corner like he was in Oakland? He was willing, but he sure wasn't good.

You put your best players in the positions they're most effective, not where they "on paper" are good. Sapp was also willing, but he sure got neutralized, and he was a proven dominating force.

And Alexander's play isn't suffering much, if at all.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Then I guess we should force Landry to play FS like he's always been or put DHall into a shutdown corner like he was in Oakland? He was willing, but he sure wasn't good.

You put your best players in the positions they're most effective, not where they "on paper" are good. Sapp was also willing, but he sure got neutralized, and he was a proven dominating force.

And Alexander's play isn't suffering much, if at all.

You don't always have that luxury. Need often dictates where guys play.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

You don't always have that luxury. Need often dictates where guys play.

He's still being used suboptimally. Tennessee was able to get quality play from Albert even with Albert being so "into the game" that "coaching" him was ineffective. Jim Schwartz was able to get high quality play out of AH's instincts. We had a effective 4-3 defense set up. We just needed a coordinator with a brain.

And there are countless examples of how their effectiveness was laughably reduced. Rak at 4-3 OLB, Landry at FS, Dhall as the "other shutdown corner". These are suboptimal of using a player and the incentive to go to a more optimal one is there.

Not to mention that there was no need to fully commit to a 3-4 this year. This "need" for a NT was completely avoidable. Haslett's going to have to make a decision of whether they should implement some 4-3 schemes so we can get more out of guys like AH. And not just AH, but Cater, Golston, etc.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

When I see a guy like Alexander changing positions year to year, doing so willingly and succeeding instead of bitching and playing the poor me routine, I really have a hard time feeling any pity for an overpaid brat like AH.

Check the line under my user name, believe me I have absolutely no pity for AH.

I'm only looking at what's best for the Skins from an Xs & Os perspective. We're stuck with AH this year, we may as well get what we can out of him.

[SmootSmack]

I'm not really concerned that McNabb won't be here in 2011 (think we can franchise him if push comes to shove), but that said we do need a young QB to groom here. Not sold on Beck. And if McNabb does leave it's not the Vikings that concern me really, it's the Cardinals

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'm not really concerned that McNabb won't be here in 2011 (think we can franchise him if push comes to shove), but that said we do need a young QB to groom here. Not sold on Beck. And if McNabb does leave it's not the Vikings that concern me really, it's the Cardinals

I hope you're right. Grooming a young QB is important, but not a high priority issue this offseason. Losing our starting QB this off-season will make rebuilding elsewhere (DL, interior OL, CB, RB) more difficult and put us back another year or two at least.

[MTK]

Unless there's a solid plan B option in place, which there doesn't seem to be, I can't see why we would let McNabb go. Unless of course they determine he's just not going to work out here, but the likelihood of that doesn't seem very great.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Unless there's a solid plan B option in place, which there doesn't seem to be, I can't see why we would let McNabb go. Unless of course they determine he's just not going to work out here, but the likelihood of that doesn't seem very great.

for what we paid for McNabb I would be furious as hell to let him go after one year

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

for what we paid for McNabb I would be furious as hell to let him go after one year

Yup, letting him go just doesn't make sense for a variety of reasons.

[saden1]

Why would any reasonably intelligent person let McNabb go unless they have Aaron Rodgers in the wings? The idea of not brining McNabb back is idiotic.