Ongoing CBA discussions

Ruhskins · 03-11-2011, 10:40 PM

I don't think you have to completely take one side in here, I just feel like the owners are slightly guiltier than the players, and have less to lose (and they were making sure that they'd be taken care of with the TV deal insurance money...if I'm saying that correctly). In the end, the failure is from both sides, and the losers in my opinion are:

From the players side: your average to below average player that doesn't make Peyton Manning money.

From the owners side: the assistant coaches, trainers, and regular team staff.

Also screwed, any industry that profits from football. And finally the fans, but it is not like your average fan is losing money in this situation.

Still, tomorrow Jerry Jones and Peyton Manning will have millions in the bank. But your average 3rd stringer, a strength coach, and some secretary in a team is office is going to be sweating bullets not having any type of certainty about their jobs (and their ability to earn money).

skinsfaninok · 03-11-2011, 10:44 PM

First off NYSkins, Kanye West? Your crazy Lil Wayne is on another planet compared to kanye..

Dirtbag59 · 03-11-2011, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

First off NYSkins, Kanye West? Your crazy Lil Wayne is on another planet compared to kanye..

Music is more then rapping with autotune.

skinsfaninok · 03-11-2011, 10:50 PM

Most NFL fans are true to their organization, this is not like the NBA or MLB it's not a player sport. The Redskins for example aren't just a pro football team they are an brand also, players have the privilege to play a GAME for a living. Yes I understand they are very gifted And I'm not saying I can play pro football BUT 300,000 is damn good $ for only working 6 months folks period.

CRedskinsRule · 03-11-2011, 10:50 PM

Agreed Ruhskins.

Both sides simply played out their hands, and,in my opinion, tried to slight the other side rather than work together as reasonable and rational people might. When a federal mediator who has an 84% succes rate simply throws up his hands in dismay like Cohen did, you know either one or both parties just aren't interested in working it out.

And all those that you mentioned who are not the millionaire/billionaire manning/snyder people will see their livelihood and lives hurt.

GusFrerotte · 03-12-2011, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Agreed Ruhskins.

Both sides simply played out their hands, and,in my opinion, tried to slight the other side rather than work together as reasonable and rational people might. When a federal mediator who has an 84% succes rate simply throws up his hands in dismay like Cohen did, you know either one or both parties just aren't interested in working it out.

And all those that you mentioned who are not the millionaire/billionaire manning/snyder people will see their livelihood and lives hurt.

League minimum is helluva lot better than anyobdy up here in Detroit is making working 40+ hours a week. As for those hotdog people, they will just work more concerts on Sundays. NFL.com will be experiencing some big time issues, but that doesn't affect too many Americans since the stuff is made in Asia anyway. As for the fans? THey almost deserve to be screwed. They have put themselves into a position to be taken for granted. Like I said in my previous post the more money that is made in the NFL seems to be directly inverted to the quality of the product put out on the field on most Sundays. Just sloppy ball being played, with the exceptions of only a small number of teams. Only team in the current NFL that could say touch the Cowboys or 49ers of the 90s is New England, and I am not sure if they could even hang. Sorry guys, I am just calling it as I see it. This explains why the NFL hype machine has been kicked into overdrive for the past decade, the lack of any real teams that are playing to the level they should be.

SolidSnake84 · 03-12-2011, 12:26 AM

Holy Shit guys i didnt believe this would actually happen.

Millionaires vs Billionaires i guess. Now there is the lawsuit by Tom Brady, Manning, and Drew Brees against the owners. The players union has decertified, and in general all hell is breaking loose.

What happens next? can a court order lift the lockout as some have suggested? Does the NFL win the appeal? Is there going to be an absolute total work stoppage??

freddyg12 · 03-12-2011, 12:35 AM

This HAD to happen I think. Even if a deal is made via mediation & the suits are dropped, both sides needed to take this step. The owners got themselves in this by agreeing to this deal in 06. The players don't want to give up something for no apparent reason. The courts, if only the threat, are the only way to decide this.

I am not unhappy about it. I think it could lead to some creative solutions & avert some bad ideas, like the 18 game season. If we come out of this w/the same CBA & an 18 game season, it will really have been a wasted opportunity IMO.

SmootSmack · 03-12-2011, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by freddyg12

This HAD to happen I think. Even if a deal is made via mediation & the suits are dropped, both sides needed to take this step. The owners got themselves in this by agreeing to this deal in 06. The players don't want to give up something for no apparent reason. The courts, if only the threat, are the only way to decide this.

I am not unhappy about it. I think it could lead to some creative solutions & avert some bad ideas, like the 18 game season. If we come out of this w/the same CBA & an 18 game season, it will really have been a wasted opportunity IMO.

Can I get an Amen?!

BigHairedAristocrat · 03-12-2011, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by freddyg12

This HAD to happen I think. Even if a deal is made via mediation & the suits are dropped, both sides needed to take this step. The owners got themselves in this by agreeing to this deal in 06. The players don't want to give up something for no apparent reason. The courts, if only the threat, are the only way to decide this.

I am not unhappy about it. I think it could lead to some creative solutions & avert some bad ideas, like the 18 game season. If we come out of this w/the same CBA & an 18 game season, it will really have been a wasted opportunity IMO.

If this "HAD" to happen, then why The 24 hour and 7 day extensions? This did not HAVE to happen. A deal could have been worked out if both sides wanted to work one out. The problem is, they didn't. They wanted to give the appearance of wanting a deal. I'm disgusted with both sides, but mostly the players side, specifically demaurice smith. the guy strikes me as a total d bag.

NC_Skins · 03-11-2011, 11:24 PM

speaking of winning, the real winners in all of this are the douchebag lawyers.
losers = everybody else

CRedskinsRule · 03-11-2011, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

speaking of winning, the real winners in all of this are the douchebag lawyers.
losers = everybody else

This is the first thing you have said that I agree with 100%.

Ruhskins · 03-11-2011, 11:47 PM

Alright, t-minus 13 minutes until the end of football.

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 03-11-2011, 11:48 PM

12 minutes

Ruhskins · 03-11-2011, 11:57 PM

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12 minutes

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03-11-2011, 10:40 PM	#1
Ruhskins Living Legend Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 22,379	Re: Ongoing CBA discussions I don't think you have to completely take one side in here, I just feel like the owners are slightly guiltier than the players, and have less to lose (and they were making sure that they'd be taken care of with the TV deal insurance money...if I'm saying that correctly). In the end, the failure is from both sides, and the losers in my opinion are: From the players side: your average to below average player that doesn't make Peyton Manning money. From the owners side: the assistant coaches, trainers, and regular team staff. Also screwed, any industry that profits from football. And finally the fans, but it is not like your average fan is losing money in this situation. Still, tomorrow Jerry Jones and Peyton Manning will have millions in the bank. But your average 3rd stringer, a strength coach, and some secretary in a team is office is going to be sweating bullets not having any type of certainty about their jobs (and their ability to earn money). __________________ R.I.P. #21

03-11-2011, 10:44 PM	#2
skinsfaninok Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UNITED STATES Age: 39 Posts: 36,242	Re: Ongoing CBA discussions First off NYSkins, Kanye West? Your crazy Lil Wayne is on another planet compared to kanye.. __________________ “Mediocre people don’t like high achievers, and high achievers don’t like mediocre people.” ― Nick Saban

03-11-2011, 10:50 PM	#4
skinsfaninok Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UNITED STATES Age: 39 Posts: 36,242	Re: Ongoing CBA discussions Most NFL fans are true to their organization, this is not like the NBA or MLB it's not a player sport. The Redskins for example aren't just a pro football team they are an brand also, players have the privilege to play a GAME for a living. Yes I understand they are very gifted And I'm not saying I can play pro football BUT 300,000 is damn good $ for only working 6 months folks period. __________________ “Mediocre people don’t like high achievers, and high achievers don’t like mediocre people.” ― Nick Saban

03-12-2011, 12:26 AM	#7
SolidSnake84 Playmaker Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Stephens City, VA Posts: 2,953	Re: Ongoing CBA discussions Holy Shit guys i didnt believe this would actually happen. Millionaires vs Billionaires i guess. Now there is the lawsuit by Tom Brady, Manning, and Drew Brees against the owners. The players union has decertified, and in general all hell is breaking loose. What happens next? can a court order lift the lockout as some have suggested? Does the NFL win the appeal? Is there going to be an absolute total work stoppage?? __________________ Time to nut up or shut up

03-11-2011, 10:50 PM	#5
CRedskinsRule Living Legend Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 59 Posts: 21,744	Agreed Ruhskins. Both sides simply played out their hands, and,in my opinion, tried to slight the other side rather than work together as reasonable and rational people might. When a federal mediator who has an 84% succes rate simply throws up his hands in dismay like Cohen did, you know either one or both parties just aren't interested in working it out. And all those that you mentioned who are not the millionaire/billionaire manning/snyder people will see their livelihood and lives hurt.

03-12-2011, 12:35 AM	#8
freddyg12 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,540	Re: Ongoing CBA discussions This HAD to happen I think. Even if a deal is made via mediation & the suits are dropped, both sides needed to take this step. The owners got themselves in this by agreeing to this deal in 06. The players don't want to give up something for no apparent reason. The courts, if only the threat, are the only way to decide this. I am not unhappy about it. I think it could lead to some creative solutions & avert some bad ideas, like the 18 game season. If we come out of this w/the same CBA & an 18 game season, it will really have been a wasted opportunity IMO.

03-11-2011, 11:24 PM	#11
NC_Skins Gamebreaker Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 14,747	Re: Ongoing CBA discussions speaking of winning, the real winners in all of this are the douchebag lawyers. losers = everybody else

03-11-2011, 11:47 PM	#13
Ruhskins Living Legend Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 22,379	Re: Ongoing CBA discussions Alright, t-minus 13 minutes until the end of football. __________________ R.I.P. #21

03-11-2011, 11:48 PM	#14
EARTHQUAKE2689 You did WHAT?!? Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: In The Kitchen With Dyna. Age: 37 Posts: 14,189	Re: Ongoing CBA discussions 12 minutes __________________ https://open.spotify.com/artist/1NG9zNxqMP8cYNP72QqUQT Shameless self-promotion. It is what it is.

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