Jay Gruden hired as head coach of the Redskins

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by irish

Amen Brother! All this "he didnt do such a bad job" talk is a joke. He was terrible. Haslett should have been gone before Shanny.

I wanted Haslett gone at the bye. I said I would be sick if he stayed.

Now, with visions of sugarplums dancing in my head, I am thinking - Shanny ruined many a DC's career in Denver. The stories that Cooley and others have shared about Haslett getting overturned and micromanaged by Shanny make a lot of sense to me. And then there is the relationship he has with JG and the experience that he could bring to the table.

So, right now, I am at the abyss, I have accepted that he may stay as an assistant head coach - Defense, where he might have some input both to the DC and to JG, but is not actively calling the D, or planning the scheme. If DS is paying him anyway, you might as well get some value from him.

But if they fire him tomorrow, I will still have a big smile

[skinsnut]

Let's take a historical view of the last hire

Bruce Allen Hire
Biggest Change, everyone thrilled..we finally have a GM! Although the teams he fielded were somewhat average, and he was known as an average GM
Many considered Best Move

Shanny Hire
Solid hire all around, 2X superbowl champ, specialized in offense. His defenses were generally average at best. Knock was he was never a winner without Elway.
Many considered 2nd Best Move

Shanny Jr.
Produced fantastic results with the Texans. Thought to be groomable as our next head coach. Some had concerns about Dad/Son thing, but not most
Considered a good move
Many considered 3rd Best Move...some argued better move than his Dad

Haslett
Always produced below average defenses over a couple decades. Stunk as a head coach. Many scratched heads wondering why him...many pointed out Shanny hires weak D coordinators. Most were so happy about a GM and a real coach to overlook what many saw as a missed opportunity. But, it was explained to us that Shanny wanted a 3-4, and Haslett would convert us, so we bought in.

NOW:
Shanny(s) cut:
Produced top offenses, wasn't really the problem on the field as the offense was fine (other than player failures and oline talent/RG3 struggles) Major problem is infighting occured...and they needed to axe someone. I wasn't a fan of Shanny...but I didn't see him as the problem as much as Snyder/RG3 immaturity. lack of comments by Allen when needed, etc. Shanny Jr was fine, but should have adjusted more this year.

Haslett
The biggest problem with the team, outside of our 1st yr special teams coach
He should have been fired long ago. No improvement. team sucked, deflated any offense success....almost horrible.

Overall:
The team would have been better off keeping Shanny and team and getting a Wade Phillips d coordinator and new special teams coach....instead....they did the exact opposite.

The main reason Shanny was fired was his record, and the infighting dilema.
Had Shanny demanded a new defensive coordinator and handled his players better, he might still be here. Shanny is not a bad coach, Haslett is.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

Let's take a historical view of the last hire

Bruce Allen Hire
Biggest Change, everyone thrilled..we finally have a GM! Although the teams he fielded were somewhat average, and he was known as an average GM
Many considered Best Move

Shanny Hire
Solid hire all around, 2X superbowl champ, specialized in offense. His defenses were generally average at best. Knock was he was never a winner without Elway.
Many considered 2nd Best Move

Shanny Jr.
Produced fantastic results with the Texans. Thought to be groomable as our next head coach. Some had concerns about Dad/Son thing, but not most
Considered a good move
Many considered 3rd Best Move...some argued better move than his Dad

Haslett
Always produced below average defenses over a couple decades. Stunk as a head coach. Many scratched heads wondering why him...many pointed out Shanny hires weak D coordinators. Most were so happy about a GM and a real coach to overlook what many saw as a missed opportunity. But, it was explained to us that Shanny wanted a 3-4, and Haslett would convert us, so we bought in.

NOW:
Shanny(s) cut:
Produced top offenses, wasn't really the problem on the field as the offense was fine (other than player failures and oline talent/RG3 struggles) Major problem is infighting occured...and they needed to axe someone. I wasn't a fan of Shanny...but I didn't see him as the problem as much as Snyder/RG3 immaturity. lack of comments by Allen when needed, etc. Shanny Jr was fine, but should have adjusted more this year.

Haslett
The biggest problem with the team, outside of our 1st yr special teams coach
He should have been fired long ago. No improvement. team sucked, deflated any offense success....almost horrible.

Overall:
The team would have been better off keeping Shanny and team and getting a Wade Phillips d coordinator and new special teams coach....instead....they did the exact opposite.

The main reason Shanny was fired was his record, and the infighting dilema.
Had Shanny demanded a new defensive coordinator and handled his players better, he might still be here. Shanny is not a bad coach, Haslett is.

Yea he did not win games. He is a head coach, that is his main job. He failed miserably at his job. Record says it all.

Also the offense sucked last year as well. The entire team was garbage.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by irish

Amen Brother! All this "he didnt do such a bad job" talk is a joke. He was terrible. Haslett should have been gone before Shanny.

agree

[donofriose]

Hasleet should have been in the same boat as Shanahan.

They both did nothing to prove that they should keep their positions.

[Alvin Walton]

Huge reason to be optimistic because of process of elimination.
Heres why -

There are basically 4 kinds of ways to get a coach.

A.The college favorite.
B.The wild card.
C.The retread.
D.The up and coming coordinator.

A - Spurrier
B - Zorn
C - Shanahan
D - Gruden

We eliminated all the ones that don't work.
We cant lose!

[Monkeydad]

Welcome to the circus, Jay.

The media is going to make him go bald before the end of the year.

ESPN asking Jay the same question 3 times in a row, although he answered it already...



I love his answers though.

When will you see RGIII?
I don't know, I've been talking to you guy for 3-4 hours.

When will you see RGIII?
I just got here, I need to find coaches.

When will you see RGIII?
<eyes pop out from the level of media idiocy>

No wonder his eyes popped out of his head...who could be ready for this level of stupidity? He's handling himself well though.



It was bad enough ESPN put him through such a waste of time, then Yahoo turns it into a movie production, zooming in and out on his eyeballs.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

Welcome to the circus, Jay.

The media is going to make him go bald before the end of the year.

ESPN asking Jay the same question 3 times in a row, although he answered it already...



I love his answers though.

When will you see RGIII?
I don't know, I've been talking to you guy for 3-4 hours.

When will you see RGIII?
I just got here, I need to find coaches.

When will you see RGIII?
<eyes pop out from the level of media idiocy>

No wonder his eyes popped out of his head...who could be ready for this level of stupidity? He's handling himself well though.



It was bad enough ESPN put him through such a waste of time, then Yahoo turns it into a movie production, zooming in and out on his eyeballs.

Skip the tool Bayless tried to spin it in a way that he is concerned Gruden is already avoiding RG3 by not meeting w him yet lol

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Skip the tool Bayless tried to spin it in a way that he is concerned Gruden is already avoiding RG3 by not meeting w him yet lol

He should be on a plane to Hawaii if he knows what's best.

King RGIII awaits.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

He should be on a plane to Hawaii if he knows what's best.

King RGIII awaits.

Boy Emperor

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

Welcome to the circus, Jay.

The media is going to make him go bald before the end of the year.

ESPN asking Jay the same question 3 times in a row, although he answered it already...



I love his answers though.

When will you see RGIII?
I don't know, I've been talking to you guy for 3-4 hours.

When will you see RGIII?
I just got here, I need to find coaches.

When will you see RGIII?
<eyes pop out from the level of media idiocy>

No wonder his eyes popped out of his head...who could be ready for this level of stupidity? He's handling himself well though.



It was bad enough ESPN put him through such a waste of time, then Yahoo turns it into a movie production, zooming in and out on his eyeballs.

It's not the same question, but whatever

[Monkeydad]

^ ESPN's pro bono PR man has checked in.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

^ ESPN's pro bono PR man has checked in.

I figured your response would be something like that.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

^ ESPN's pro bono PR man has checked in.

pro bono? hellz no! SS gots to get paid.

[Gary84Clark]

Please mods lock this thread, it is infected with that Thelma and Louis picture.