Kirk Cousins 365 thread

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Brody81

https://twitter.com/nfl/status/832048137875238914


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Thanks for posting this video. I think Willie McGinest is 100% correct. He stated the case for Kirk eloquently and succinctly.

FWIW, here's where I stand on the issue:

- Both Kirk Cousins and Jay Gruden must be retained and extended.

- Anything other than a long-term deal for Kirk would be plain stupid on the part of the Redskins. They need to get this done.

- Kirk continues to get better in this offensive system, yet there still seems to be some doubt about Jay Gruden being retained past this season. That is utterly preposterous. Jay Gruden has done a very good job. He must be extended so that his system can be retained and perfected by the on-field leader of this team, Kirk Cousins.

It is so easy to envision what this team can become if Dan Snyder keeps the same QB and HC in place that I'd like to think even Dan Snyder couldn't f*** this up.

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Thanks for posting this video. I think Willie McGinest is 100% correct. He stated the case for Kirk eloquently and succinctly.

FWIW, here's where I stand on the issue:

- Both Kirk Cousins and Jay Gruden must be retained and extended.

- Anything other than a long-term deal for Kirk would be plain stupid on the part of the Redskins. They need to get this done.

- Kirk continues to get better in this offensive system, yet there still seems to be some doubt about Jay Gruden being retained past this season. That is utterly preposterous. Jay Gruden has done a very good job. He must be extended so that his system can be retained and perfected by the on-field leader of this team, Kirk Cousins.

It is so easy to envision what this team can become if Dan Snyder keeps the same QB and HC in place that I'd like to think even Dan Snyder couldn't f*** this up.

I said earlier (while we were still looking for a DC), that to send a good message to potential coaching candidates as well as to the team, the Redskins brass needs to go ahead and extend Jay Gruden's contract. They could arrange the extension to where there's an out if need be, but it sends a message that they're keeping the group together and feel like it's building to something special. There are times that I think Jay Gruden has screwed up situational football, but there are other teams when I feel he displays that "gunslinger" mentality in his coaching and is going to be aggressive, because that's what it takes to win the game. Such as going back to the first game against the Giants. He coached very aggressive in that game, because well, if you're going to go 0-3, might as well go down swinging. He wound up winning that game which got the 'skins on a 4 game winning streak. So, I think overall, Gruden needs to stay and needs to be extended.

Having said all of that. Same approach with Cousins. While I think it's highly likely they tag him, I really think they need to sign him to a long term deal and be done with it. I think they also need to try their best to keep both Garcon and Jackson.

[CRedskinsRule]

Well, I hope this bodes well:

https://twitter.com/Redskins/status/831972117986017281

.@KirkCousins8 had a career year in 2016. The QB is primed to be a @PFF Top 101 player next season.

📚: Kirk Cousins Is Primed To Be A (PFF-Graded) Top NFL Player in 2017

[SolidSnake84]

Someone i believe already posted the link earlier, but in case not, here we go. Looks like we are trying as hard as we can to mess up the Cousins situation.

Here is an article that says we may not even begin negotiations at the Franchise tag price. No way Kirk accepts that after making a higher salary last season:

Don't expect Redskins to offer top QB market price to Kirk Cousins, analyst says | CSN Mid-Atlantic

This one basically says there is now rumored "resistance" (AKA DAN SNYDER) on giving Cousins the tag, and suggests the skins might just be content letting Kirk test Free Agency. (Translation: He's gone)

Report: 'Internal resistance' in Washington to giving Kirk Cousins franchise tag - Sportsnaut.com

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

Someone i believe already posted the link earlier, but in case not, here we go. Looks like we are trying as hard as we can to mess up the Cousins situation.

Here is an article that says we may not even begin negotiations at the Franchise tag price. No way Kirk accepts that after making a higher salary last season:

Don't expect Redskins to offer top QB market price to Kirk Cousins, analyst says | CSN Mid-Atlantic

This one basically says there is now rumored "resistance" (AKA DAN SNYDER) on giving Cousins the tag, and suggests the skins might just be content letting Kirk test Free Agency. (Translation: He's gone)

Report: 'Internal resistance' in Washington to giving Kirk Cousins franchise tag - Sportsnaut.com

That article says nothing of the sort. In fact it says:

The issue here is that letting Cousins test free agency doesn’t seem like an optimal idea. With what will likely be north of $100 million to spend in free agency, the San Francisco 49ers could make it hard for Washington to retain cousins.

You're putting your own spin on this. And what the hell is sportsnaut anyway?

As for the Andrew Brandt interview I heard him discussing the same thing live on Tues morning with Ross Tucker. He basically said the team could offer him in the range of $21m or $22m per year, and he expects Kirk would probably take it. The team has all the leverage right now. Why take $24m for one year when you can have probably at least 2-3 times that in guaranteed money with a long term deal?

[mooby]

Originally Posted by MTK

That article says nothing of the sort. In fact it says:



You're putting your own spin on this. And what the hell is sportsnaut anyway?

As for the Andrew Brandt interview I heard him discussing the same thing live on Tues morning with Ross Tucker. He basically said the team could offer him in the range of $21m or $22m per year, and he expects Kirk would probably take it. The team has all the leverage right now. Why take $24m for one year when you can have probably at least 2-3 times that in guaranteed money with a long term deal?

You've never heard of sportsnaut, that new sports juggernaut? It's all the rage baby.

[SirLK26]

Originally Posted by MTK

That article says nothing of the sort. In fact it says:



You're putting your own spin on this. And what the hell is sportsnaut anyway?

As for the Andrew Brandt interview I heard him discussing the same thing live on Tues morning with Ross Tucker. He basically said the team could offer him in the range of $21m or $22m per year, and he expects Kirk would probably take it. The team has all the leverage right now. Why take $24m for one year when you can have probably at least 2-3 times that in guaranteed money with a long term deal?

Because you take that 24 mil guaranteed, play out the year, and after you hit the open market in '18, sign with another team for even more than you'd make with a long term deal this year. I don't see how the team has an ounce of leverage. It all hinges on Kirk, does he want to be here?

Btw I think he does, and I think they'll get a long term deal done

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

Because you take that 24 mil guaranteed, play out the year, and after you hit the open market in '18, sign with another team for even more than you'd make with a long term deal this year. I don't see how the team has an ounce of leverage. It all hinges on Kirk, does he want to be here?

Btw I think he does, and I think they'll get a long term deal done

But this year, Kirk actually doesn't have that much leverage. Sure, he could sign another deal and make $24M guaranteed this year, which means he's gotten $44M in two years. BUT, what if he gets hurt midway through the season? Or, what if he struggles because the Redskins let both Pierre Garcon and DeSean Jackson go, and Doctson turns out to be a bust? Suddenly his stock decreases. Sure, he could still wind up signing a long term deal somewhere else, but it might not be worth as much as he could get this year.

You're assumption is that Cousins would continue an upward trajectory - which of course we all want to see happen - but it's a big assumption. I would rather take $22M/year for the next 5 years and have about $60M guaranteed as opposed to a sure $24M this year with the hope of signing a gigantic contract next year. It might happen and Kirk doesn't seem afraid to bet on himself again, but it isn't in his best interest. Because there is a lot of pressure on the Redskins to make the playoffs and win a playoff game this year. Which means there is a lot of pressure on Cousins. If the Redskins miss the playoffs again this year, I think Cousins' stock falls and I think he could possibly wind up losing money in the long run by playing hard ball with the negotiations.

On the flip side, I think if the Redskins are willing to give him close to what he wants, there's no reason why Cousins shouldn't take it. For Pete's sake, I would take $5M a year and live the best life ever. When you start to talk about $22M verses $24M, there isn't a lot of difference. You're still set for life.

[SirLK26]

For a team that needs a QB, the success he's already had will be enough to convince them he can be a franchise guy even if he has a down year. Look what Osweiler got for half a year of starting, and he didnt even play as well as Kirk has over two full seasons. He'll get a massive contract no matter what, especially since the cap will keep going up next year

Injury is a possibility, but I don't think he's ever missed a game due to one. Thats a bet he'd be willing to take

Kirk has ALL the leverage. The Skins are a little toddler holding out a doggy treat to a Great Dane but he's already standing over a box of them. They can hope he plays nice and eats the treat out of their hand, but if he doesnt want to play along he'll just take the box and walk away

[mredskins]

[skinsfaninok]

Kirk and the family watching the legend!

[CRedskinsRule]

I think there is positive mojo between the skins and kc. I bet we hear a done deal announcement by next Thursday so the skins can prep for free agency.

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[skinsfaninok]

REPORT: Kirk Cousins Doesn't Want to Play for Redskins Beyond Next Season | 12up

wow

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

REPORT: Kirk Cousins Doesn't Want to Play for Redskins Beyond Next Season | 12up

wow

Sorry two quotes by Jason Reid does not a real story make. FAKE NEWS!

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[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Sorry two quotes by Jason Reid does not a real story make. FAKE NEWS!

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I hope so. I just want this to end quick