Redskins trade for Alex Smith

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by mooby

Matty, I know I'm complaining over spilled milk right now, but this deal allows our current power structure to remain in place despite the fact they are the only franchise in modern day history to screw up having a good qb.

So to me, this deal screams we just paid Kirk big money for 2 years, only to get rid of him and Kendall Fuller for an older, not-as-good but same neighborhood qb who we still have to pay regardless. Time will tell the tale, but it reeks of incompetency for me. What more do we have to see to know that Bruce Allen does not deserve to run this front office? Do we have to wait until we slide from mediocre to downright uncompetitive?

I find this very irritating. Why franchise him two years in a row if this was the end game? I don't buy the lip service we have been told. This is merely a cya by the FO. It is like being happy that 5 years later BP cleaned up the Gulf oil spill and some how will be better off for it down the road and ignoring the whole mess to begin with.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by mooby

matty the quote system is broken again, it won't let me quote yours or scredskins post.

I didn't like the prove it tag, because we have a cap guru in eric schaffer who no doubt could have come up with a long term deal that gave us an out a 2-4 years down the road if he didn't pan out. But we didn't even try for the better part of 2 offseasons, it was like they were never serious about it. The lack of faith in him showed, and most likely is what burned us in the end. I mean shit, we benched mcnabb a week after his long term extension, you can't tell me there's no way kirk wasn't worth the money. The cap goes up every year, which makes the contract more manageable. Plus you can do creative accounting if you need to make room.

Matty, i know i'm complaining over spilled milk right now, but this deal allows our current power structure to remain in place despite the fact they are the only franchise in modern day history to screw up having a good qb.

Youse guys complaining that kc can't get us to the playoffs are conveniently ignoring it takes a 53 man roster to get us there. The stats were good. The attitude was good. He showed up every day, put in the work, came in as a backup rookie and made it to the pro bowl 5 years later. Instead of rewarding him for it, they dissed him. And it not only cost us financially, it has now cost us our best up-and-coming young defender. How much money did we save after paying kc 44 mil for 2 years and alex smith 71+ for however many years he lasts? The difference is negligible. I did a quick google search and i can't find the rankings at work rn, but i have seen somewhere that said kc ranks 6th in the nfl in completions over 20 yards and in the same span smith ranks 22nd. That's ignoring all of the other stats, the combined passing td's over the last 3 years, etc.

So to me, this deal screams we just paid kirk big money for 2 years, only to get rid of him and kendall fuller for an older, not-as-good but same neighborhood qb who we still have to pay regardless. Time will tell the tale, but it reeks of incompetency for me. What more do we have to see to know that bruce allen does not deserve to run this front office? Do we have to wait until we slide from mediocre to downright uncompetitive?

I have no idea what would be a better solution at this point in time. I just know it doesn't involve giving away kendall fuller. You build your team around these young, cheap, built-through-the-draft building blocks. And we just gave away two of our brightest success stories of building through the draft of the last few years.

I thought we were on the right track when mcc came on board and decided building through the draft was the smart philosophy. But part 2 of building through the draft means paying the homegrown talent who worked hard to prove themselves worthy. We seemed to have missed that message.

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[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

Both teams won the trade. KC saves 17mm and the Redskins save 11+ mm on what it would have taken to tag or keep Cousins. Fuller is the cost of doing business to get a starting QB. We get a compensatory pick in the third round for Cousins next year. All other vet QB's on the market aren't as good as these two players.

Anyone who is mad is not realistic about the situation. Kirk did not want to stay here. He had them by the balls and this was their way out.

Again, we lost a 3rd round pick. And there's no guarantee we will get a 3rd round comp pick to make up for it.

KC got a decent CB with potential, a 3rd round pick, and saved $. All they had to give up was a 33 yo QB (will be 34 next season) they were ready to let go anyways.

WASH gave up the aforementioned player and pick, saved $. And will either let a 30 yo QB they know works well in their system go for nothing (maybe a 3rd rd don't count on it) or trans tag him for a trade. Nothing would surprise me at this point.

KC did well this deal. WASH actually didn't do bad getting Alex Smith but it doesn't cover up their failure signing Cousins. We basically gave a pick and player for the privilege of getting a 3-4 year older QB.

[WillH]

Here's a question, if you have somebody on a transition tag, Can you trade them to another team? And If so, does that team then inherit rights of 1st refusal while the Player seeks offers from other teams?

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[MTK]

Originally Posted by WillH

Here's a question, if you have somebody on a transition tag, Can you trade them to another team? And If so, does that team then inherit rights of 1st refusal while the Player seeks offers from other teams?

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Quite simply, no

[rocnrik]

Smith throws long ball better than Cousins! He has way more postseason games than Cousins..he comes in a lot cheaper than Cousins. Maybe Doctson will have a new breath of life with Smith! looking for positives about this deal!!

[MTK]

We have plenty of cap and picks to keep building. Not sure where this rebuild talk is coming from.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by MTK

We have plenty of cap and picks to keep building. Not sure where this rebuild talk is coming from.

We have more money now to go get a WR. All we need is someone like E Sanders and we'll be really good in the pass game. Just need a RB

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[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by MTK

We have plenty of cap and picks to keep building. Not sure where this rebuild talk is coming from.

I think I’ll just read your posts for the next couple days. Nearly everyone else is irrational. Emotionally on tilt. Save me from the crazies I can’t take it.

[SFREDSKIN]

Last thing I’m going to say Smith couldn’t do it in SF or KC (I like Alex and saw plenty of him in SF) Cousins is the better QB, I understand we needed a replacement, management got fleeced and way overpaid for him, especially at
Young age of 33. We better draft a young QB to groom, we are going to need it. I’m out.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Last thing I’m going to say Smith couldn’t do it in SF or KC (I like Alex and saw plenty of him in SF) Cousins is the better QB, I understand we needed a replacement, management got fleeced and way overpaid for him, especially at
Young age of 33. We better draft a young QB to groom, we are going to need it. I’m out.

Smith made the pro bowl, Cousins didn’t. Smith had 5 INTs and 4 fumbles, Cousins had 13 INTs and 13 fumbles. Smith is a big running threat, Cousins is a little one. Smith’s red zone performance is better. Reid and Gruden’s systems are nearly identical.

But yeah sure Cousins is better.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Last thing I’m going to say Smith couldn’t do it in SF or KC (I like Alex and saw plenty of him in SF) Cousins is the better QB, I understand we needed a replacement, management got fleeced and way overpaid for him, especially at
Young age of 33. We better draft a young QB to groom, we are going to need it. I’m out.

When it comes to crunch time, statistics would say that is a lie. Exhibit A, comparative data from the last three seasons. Smith is better in EVERY category except one. Not by a ton, but better nonetheless.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

When it comes to crunch time, statistics would say that is a lie. Exhibit A, comparative data from the last three seasons. Smith is better in EVERY category except one. Not by a ton, but better nonetheless.

Yet KC had more 4 quarter come backs over the last three years (7 to 5). looking exclusively at the 4th quarter is ignoring the other three quarters. They are pretty comparable over the last 5 years except Alex Smith has a better interception% and is a better runner. I wonder if Gruden is going to try to make AS fit his system or cater to his strength. Listened to an interesting interview with Andy Benoit (from MMQB) on Grant and Danny and he voiced that as a potential problem.

[skinsfaninok]

It's a no brainer to me and I've been stoked since waking up this morning. U get a better QB for $30M less in guarantees most likely and 5M a yr less. The only downside is AS is 33.

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[Darrell_Green_28]

Is it possible we could still trade Cousins?