Skins getting heat again over name issue

[Back2RFK]

Originally Posted by punch it in

No Chico as usual you are not following. Other posters have explained those surveys to you, and have also explained over and over that even if a few are bothered that it is a few too many. This is part of a much bigger issue. This is a branch on the racist tree that has been growing in America for hundreds of years. It bothers the piss out of you that is going to change we get it. So take your ridiculous articles that you think are going to paint all the real issues in the same light and go watch more Fox news.
Sincerely,
Dick face Punch

Never mind.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

You are not following my good man. If a very large, overwhelming majority of Native American have no problem with the Redskins name...when asked repeatedly......ask yourself, why are we here? Look around a bit...traffic signals are suddenly racist, Abe Lincoln statues must be torn down...who is telling you this silliness?

Why do you fucking care so much? Are you Native American? If you are not, stop speaking for other people. Native American have been and continue to get the shaft from the government and other people. If a group of Native American organizations are opposing the name, we should listen to them.

I'm sick of people acting like inconveniences are oppressing. Having your favorite team's name is just an inconvenience, is not the end of the world. There are many people going through a lot of true oppression, let's stop overreacting to minor things like a team changing their fucking name.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Why do you fucking care so much? Are you Native American? If you are not, stop speaking for other people. Native American have been and continue to get the shaft from the government and other people. If a group of Native American organizations are opposing the name, we should listen to them.

I'm sick of people acting like inconveniences are oppressing. Having your favorite team's name is just an inconvenience, is not the end of the world. There are many people going through a lot of true oppression, let's stop overreacting to minor things like a team changing their fucking name.

Jfc...just like white liberal pieces of shit are doing who don’t give a flying fuck about the Skins?

I’ve already said, like MTK above, just change it. I care because it’s not racist...saying it is, is an outright lie. People who are offended should have left the fan base a long time ago.

Oh yes, US...the land of oppression. Please gtfo

[JackLord]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Why do you fucking care so much? Are you Native American? If you are not, stop speaking for other people. Native American have been and continue to get the shaft from the government and other people. If a group of Native American organizations are opposing the name, we should listen to them.

I'm sick of people acting like inconveniences are oppressing. Having your favorite team's name is just an inconvenience, is not the end of the world. There are many people going through a lot of true oppression, let's stop overreacting to minor things like a team changing their fucking name.

The only reason this has ever been an issue is because a small, but loud group of people are speaking for another people.

An inconvenience is an odd way to put it. A loud minority has ignored the evidence, made up their own facts, and basically called us a bunch of bigots. All because our football team has a certain name. They have now hijacked concern over police brutality and utilized it as a weapon to re brand something we all love.

More disturbing has been the march of hypocrisy from sports writers, politicians, corporations, and even self-loathing fans who all woke up one day and declared, "I admit to being a Redskins fan for decades, but now ... If the word REDSKINS is truly so horrid, so racist, so nefarious, then what the hell have these people been doing for multiple decades?

Suffice it to say, if REDSKIN were truly a racial slur, nobody- even the late George Preston Marshall- would ever have used it in the first place. Polite society is just that.

Changing our team's name is a helluva lot more than an inconvenience when the case for doing so is all based on lies and faux concern for Native Americans. What ails Native Americans has nothing to do with Redskins or even Chief Wahoo. It's not going to transform the reservations into Gardens of Eden.

Inconvenience? Please. This is PC run amok- the heir apparent to Joseph McCarthy and Mao's Red Guards.

Hey, there's a good name: the Washington Red Guards.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by JackLord

The only reason this has ever been an issue is because a small, but loud group of people are speaking for another people.

An inconvenience is an odd way to put it. A loud minority has ignored the evidence, made up their own facts, and basically called us a bunch of bigots. All because our football team has a certain name. They have now hijacked concern over police brutality and utilized it as a weapon to re brand something we all love.

More disturbing has been the march of hypocrisy from sports writers, politicians, corporations, and even self-loathing fans who all woke up one day and declared, "I admit to being a Redskins fan for decades, but now ... If the word REDSKINS is truly so horrid, so racist, so nefarious, then what the hell have these people been doing for multiple decades?

Suffice it to say, if REDSKIN were truly a racial slur, nobody- even the late George Preston Marshall- would ever have used it in the first place. Polite society is just that.

Changing our team's name is a helluva lot more than an inconvenience when the case for doing so is all based on lies and faux concern for Native Americans. What ails Native Americans has nothing to do with Redskins or even Chief Wahoo. It's not going to transform the reservations into Gardens of Eden.

Inconvenience? Please. This is PC run amok- the heir apparent to Joseph McCarthy and Mao's Red Guards.

Hey, there's a good name: the Washington Red Guards.

The Bullets changed their name to the Wizards for lesser reasons and they are fine.

And yes, a name change is just an inconvenience compared to everything else. I'm not crazy about it, but I'm not going to bitch and whine about it, and just move on.

I just want this over and done with and talk about football. I'll be a fan of this team, regardless of their name. Same way I'm still a fan of the Wiz (man I like losing teams).

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by JackLord

The only reason this has ever been an issue is because a small, but loud group of people are speaking for another people.

An inconvenience is an odd way to put it. A loud minority has ignored the evidence, made up their own facts, and basically called us a bunch of bigots. All because our football team has a certain name. They have now hijacked concern over police brutality and utilized it as a weapon to re brand something we all love.

More disturbing has been the march of hypocrisy from sports writers, politicians, corporations, and even self-loathing fans who all woke up one day and declared, "I admit to being a Redskins fan for decades, but now ... If the word REDSKINS is truly so horrid, so racist, so nefarious, then what the hell have these people been doing for multiple decades?

Suffice it to say, if REDSKIN were truly a racial slur, nobody- even the late George Preston Marshall- would ever have used it in the first place. Polite society is just that.

Changing our team's name is a helluva lot more than an inconvenience when the case for doing so is all based on lies and faux concern for Native Americans. What ails Native Americans has nothing to do with Redskins or even Chief Wahoo. It's not going to transform the reservations into Gardens of Eden.

Inconvenience? Please. This is PC run amok- the heir apparent to Joseph McCarthy and Mao's Red Guards.

Hey, there's a good name: the Washington Red Guards.

I have no clue how you can say this is anything but free market. Sponsors are pulling money. They are doing so because of their image with consumers. Other NFL owners are fed up with Dan hurting the image of their product. Nobody is forcing Dan to change the name but he will have to deal with the ramifications if he doesn't.

[sdskinsfan2001]

I hope Blackhawks fans aren't naive. After the Name Changers finish with the Redskins they are rolling onto a new target next. It's as guaranteed as death and taxes. They might pick another team, but eventually they're coming for you!

[rocnrik]

I pm’d you

[punch it in]

Been defending the name my entire life Okie. Using the same reasoning...they are called Redskins on their teams, the logo is proud. The song is proud. Etc etc. I look at it completely different now. No matter how small a part of the problem it is part of the problem. If changing it becomes a small part of the solution im all for it.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Been defending the name my entire life Okie. Using the same reasoning...they are called Redskins on their teams, the logo is proud. The song is proud. Etc etc. I look at it completely different now. No matter how small a part of the problem it is part of the problem. If changing it becomes a small part of the solution im all for it.

I feel very similar. I have even decided regardless of perception we need to look at actual data and the impacts. This is a review research paper (a paper that asks a research question and then finds papers that validate and refute the research question). In this case the psychological effects of Native American mascots on Native American students. It is an interesting read, it also is not definitive.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full...4.2020.1772221

[MTK]

Comes down to issue fatigue for me more than anything. I'm just done with it. The drama isn't going away so just change it and be done with it once and for all. I just want to watch football. Shit about uniforms and names and fight songs are trivial in the big picture.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by MTK

Comes down to issue fatigue for me more than anything. I'm just done with it. The drama isn't going away so just change it and be done with it once and for all. I just want to watch football. Shit about uniforms and names and fight songs are trivial in the big picture.

That too but it is time for change. Big picture change. I always thought it would bother me (in a football sense if they changed their name, uniforms etc, but honestly Im excited for it. Not just in a right and wrong way but in a football way. We need a fresh start. Im totally holding my breath about Snyder being forced out. God that would be the freshest of starts.

[SunnySide]

CHICAGO (AP) -- The Chicago Blackhawks say they will continue to use their team name because it honors a Native American leader who has been an inspiration to generations.

"The Chicago Blackhawks name and logo symbolizes an important and historic person, Black Hawk of Illinois' Sac & Fox Nation, whose leadership and life has inspired generations of Native Americans, veterans and the public," the NHL team said in a statement Tuesday.

RELATED: GOV. HOGAN AGREES REDSKINS' NAME IS A SLUR

"We celebrate Black Hawk's legacy by offering ongoing reverent examples of Native American culture, traditions and contributions, providing a platform for genuine dialogue with local and national Native American groups. As the team's popularity grew over the past decade, so did that platform and our work with these important organizations.

"We recognize there is a fine line between respect and disrespect, and we commend other teams for their willingness to engage in that conversation. Moving forward, we are committed to raising the bar even higher to expand awareness of Black Hawk and the important contributions of all Native American people. "
https://www.nbcsports.com/washington...tinue-using-it

Best case scenario I think would be for the skins to be renamed after an actual tribe. There is a difference btw "redskins" and "blackhawks" ... one is on the right side of the line, the other is not

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

CHICAGO (AP) -- The Chicago Blackhawks say they will continue to use their team name because it honors a Native American leader who has been an inspiration to generations.

"The Chicago Blackhawks name and logo symbolizes an important and historic person, Black Hawk of Illinois' Sac & Fox Nation, whose leadership and life has inspired generations of Native Americans, veterans and the public," the NHL team said in a statement Tuesday.

RELATED: GOV. HOGAN AGREES REDSKINS' NAME IS A SLUR

"We celebrate Black Hawk's legacy by offering ongoing reverent examples of Native American culture, traditions and contributions, providing a platform for genuine dialogue with local and national Native American groups. As the team's popularity grew over the past decade, so did that platform and our work with these important organizations.

"We recognize there is a fine line between respect and disrespect, and we commend other teams for their willingness to engage in that conversation. Moving forward, we are committed to raising the bar even higher to expand awareness of Black Hawk and the important contributions of all Native American people. "
https://www.nbcsports.com/washington...tinue-using-it

Best case scenario I think would be for the skins to be renamed after an actual tribe. There is a difference btw "redskins" and "blackhawks" ... one is on the right side of the line, the other is not

It's why I think Redhawks will be fine

[MTK]

The way I see it if you're in a group of people telling others what shouldn't bother them, you're just as bad as those telling others what should bother them.

It's not a stretch to think a word that's defined in the dictionary as being racist, is offensive to some people. Would we even consider naming a team today Redskins? Of course not.