WFT's Off-Season Thread

Chief X_Phackter · 02-23-2021, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SunnySide

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...ist-22-players

Day 1 of tagging. A good article breaking down the most likely candidates. Some good names on there.

Scherff -- to tag or not to tag. I say tag and sign to a long term deal. I dont like spending more than 8M AAV on IOL but I dont want to open a new hole on a suspect OL either.

FA is going to be very interesting.

He'll get almost twice that...

I think he'll be tagged. My guess is players across the league will be more willing to play under the franchise tag in a year that the salary cap is down - in anticipation of getting a bigger payday next year.

MTK · 02-23-2021, 12:07 PM

Of course you have to tag BS and continue to work out a long term deal.

sdskinsfan2001 · 02-23-2021, 12:10 PM

Article about Scherff options...

https://www.hogshaven.com/2021/2/22/...t-a-failure-of

skinsfaninok · 02-23-2021, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MTK

Of course you have to tag BS and continue to work out a long term deal.

Agree, he's the anchor of that line and especially with a new QB coming in

MTK · 02-23-2021, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Agree, he's the anchor of that line and especially with a new QB coming in

now let's wait for the comments about him not being worth big $$

Chief X_Phackter · 02-23-2021, 12:34 PM

He'll be the highest paid guard, here or somewhere else.

If he's willing to play for the WFT for ~$15mil per year then I hope they get it done.

If I were him though, I would hold out for more. He could net $18mil under the franchise tag, then get his big pay day next offseason when the cap goes up.

SunnySide · 02-23-2021, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MTK

now let's wait for the comments about him not being worth big $$

No guard is worth more than 10M AAV or a top 10 draft pick .. in my opinion. You can find plug and play guards in FA. Each year we seem to find good IOL production at a good value.

2019 FA - Ereck Flowers
2020 FA - Wes Schweitzer

Im fine with tagging or signing Scherff, hes a good player, probably in the top 10 of Gs .. but giving any guard 14-15M per is not an ideal situation.

if im giving 15M or more .. its for a QB, LT, WR, CB, pass rusher. Thats it.

15M on a 185M cap = 8% of your entire cap. For a guard. For a guard that needs to just stick their fat short arms out there and grab some shoulder pads and anchor for 2.3 seconds.

Sign LT Villanueva or somebody for 15M per. At least LT have much more job responsibilities than a guard.

A guard is basically a chair. An obstacle. Just stand there and try not to get pushed back to much for 2.3 seconds. Can you manage that fat boy? God forbid we ask them to chip a guy or something.

yeah .. we need to spend 15M on the rare occasion one of our fat guards needs to have enough awareness to chip a guy before locking onto his main assignment. His main assignment usually the other teams fat unathletic player lined up directly across from him.

besides the run game sucked this year and every year. its not like we are opening running lanes or turning guys or getting push off the snap.

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edit 8% of cap not 12% .. sorry

MTK · 02-23-2021, 01:32 PM

That didn't take long lol

Ruhskins · 02-23-2021, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SunnySide

besides the run game sucked this year and every year. its not like we are opening running lanes or turning guys or getting push off the snap.

Our run game sucked because no team respected our passing game and they would just stack the box. I wouldn't pin this on the o-line.

Redskins247 · 02-23-2021, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SunnySide

No guard is worth more than 10M AAV or a top 10 draft pick .. in my opinion. You can find plug and play guards in FA. Each year we seem to find good IOL production at a good value.

2019 FA - Ereck Flowers
2020 FA - Wes Schweitzer

Im fine with tagging or signing Scherff, hes a good player, probably in the top 10 of Gs .. but giving any guard 14-15M per is not an ideal situation.

if im giving 15M or more .. its for a QB, LT, WR, CB, pass rusher. Thats it.

15M on a 185M cap = 12.33% of your entire cap. For a guard. For a guard that needs to just stick their fat short arms out there and grab some shoulder pads and anchor for 2.3 seconds.

Sign LT Villanueva or somebody for 15M per. At least LT have much more job responsibilities than a guard.

A guard is basically a chair. An obstacle. Just stand there and try not to get pushed back to much for 2.3 seconds. Can you manage that fat boy? God forbid we ask them to chip a guy or something.

yeah .. we need to spend 15M on the rare occasion one of our fat guards needs to have enough awareness to chip a guy before locking onto his main assignment. His main assignment usually the other teams fat unathletic player lined up directly across from him.

besides the run game sucked this year and every year. its not like we are opening running lanes or turning guys or getting push off the snap.

I agree with him here. Scherff is a great guard, however his availability is a concern for someone you're going to give 12% of your salary cap too. Give him 13 mil for for 5 or 6 years and lets move on...if he won't take it, tag him and let him explore his options.

skinsfaninok · 02-23-2021, 01:45 PM

If u let BS walk, who replaces him? We have bigger holes to fill at KEY positions.

SunnySide · 02-23-2021, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

If u let BS walk, who replaces him? We have bigger holes to fill at KEY positions.

2019 4th R - Wes Martin
2020 4th R - Shaadiq Charles

Weve been preparing for this moment. Wes didnt impress and Shaadiq got hurt but I dont mind some growing pains at RG if that guy is lined up next to MOses and Roullier and it allows us to upgrade LT or LB.

Would you rather have:

- LB Lamonte David (assume 12M per)
- 3rd R comp pick
- Charles at RG
- extra 3M in cap space

OR

- 30 year old Brandon Scherff at RG

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We got the best years out of Scherff. Great teammate, great player.

Its time.

Redskins247 · 02-23-2021, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SunnySide

2019 4th R - Wes Martin
2020 4th R - Shaadiq Charles

Weve been preparing for this moment. Wes didnt impress and Shaadiq got hurt but I dont mind some growing pains at RG if that guy is lined up next to MOses and Roullier and it allows us to upgrade LT or LB.

Would you rather have:

- LB Lamonte David (assume 12M per)
- 3rd R comp pick
- Charles at RG
- extra 3M in cap space

OR

- 30 year old Brandon Scherff at RG

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We got the best years out of Scherff. Great teammate, great player.

Its time.

Can't imagine anyone can argue that one! I want Scherff back, make no mistake, just don't think it's worth breaking the bank for him at that position.

NYCskinfan82 · 02-23-2021, 04:41 PM

I like Scherff sometimes you pay a guy so everyone knows we pay our own. Wes Martin did play better at RG than LG two years ago if I remember rightly.

Pervis_Griffith · 02-23-2021, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Redskins247

Can't imagine anyone can argue that one! I want Scherff back, make no mistake, just don't think it's worth breaking the bank for him at that position.

This.

If he won't work out a long term deal on a more reasonable salary, tag and trade him.

Wes Martin is depth --- and needs to make a jump to save his spot on the roster.
Shaadiq Charles - let's see what we have here.
Ketih Ismael - primarily a center, but he did fill in at RG in college. Maybe he can be the answer.

Snag a FA. Spend a draft pick.

But don't break the bank on Brandon.

02-23-2021, 12:07 PM	#332
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02-23-2021, 12:34 PM	#336
Chief X_Phackter Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Lakewood, CO Posts: 5,613	Re: WFT's Off-Season Thread He'll be the highest paid guard, here or somewhere else. If he's willing to play for the WFT for ~$15mil per year then I hope they get it done. If I were him though, I would hold out for more. He could net $18mil under the franchise tag, then get his big pay day next offseason when the cap goes up.

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02-23-2021, 01:45 PM	#341
skinsfaninok Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UNITED STATES Age: 38 Posts: 36,137	Re: WFT's Off-Season Thread If u let BS walk, who replaces him? We have bigger holes to fill at KEY positions. __________________ “Mediocre people don’t like high achievers, and high achievers don’t like mediocre people.” ― Nick Saban

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NYCskinfan82 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Queens, NYC Age: 55 Posts: 3,803	Re: WFT's Off-Season Thread I like Scherff sometimes you pay a guy so everyone knows we pay our own. Wes Martin did play better at RG than LG two years ago if I remember rightly.

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