Broncos to trade Cutler

[Dirtbag59]

A lot of people are talking about how Cutler wont' be successful here with the shape our lines in but the funny thing is Denver had a pretty bad line themselves. In fact on paper they're definitely worse. Put it this way, the only guy from Denvers O-Line that would have started for us is Ryan Clady and he's geared to be a pro-bowler in the near future.

Now a lot is riding on Heyer and Rhinehart working their ass off this offseason and getting the proper technique they need to be effective, but I still suspect that part of the woes we had in pass protection were due to Campbell holding the ball to long. And if Cutler really is the quick decision maker that I think he is we will see a great improvement with our passing game.

The way I see it heres my priorities in building a team.

1. QB
2. D-Line
3. O-Line
4. Running Back
5. Linebackers
6. Secondary
7. Recievers/Tight End
8. Specialist

As you can see here as much as I love the O-line the fact remains that 25 year old pro-bowl level QB's don't come often and with one we might finally be able to break the spell of mediocraty.

Don't get me wrong Campbell is good, but in order to really take the Super Bowl talk seriously we need someone that can bring our offense to the next level. Someone that can make our recievers effective (I mean seriously do you think Eddie Royal was really that good of a pick?). Someone that will help make the box less crowded for Portis, Betts, and Sellers. Someone thats comprable to Romo, Eli, and McNabb. I honestly believe that Cutler is that guy and going after him is a risk we almost have to take.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

A lot of people are talking about how Cutler wont' be successful here with the shape our lines in but the funny thing is Denver had a pretty bad line themselves. In fact on paper they're definitely worse. Put it this way, the only guy from Denvers O-Line that would have started for us is Ryan Clady and he's geared to be a pro-bowler in the near future.

You probably shouldn't go there. Denver has a young line, but they have two pro-bowlers on it, and either of their Guards would have been the most valuable lineman on our team last year. They only place we might be better than them, ironically, is RT.

Although I'd still take a healthy Samuels over Clady, he's likely going to be an injury risk for the remainder of his career.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

You probably shouldn't go there. Denver has a young line, but they have two pro-bowlers on it, and either of their Guards would have been the most valuable lineman on our team last year. They only place we might be better than them, ironically, is RT.

Although I'd still take a healthy Samuels over Clady, he's likely going to be an injury risk for the remainder of his career.

Your right. I forgot that Casey Wiegmann went to the pro bowl. Alright so we win 3-2 Dockery, Thomas (I still say he's better then Hamilton), and Samuels would all start in a Broncos-Redskins merger. Wiegmann and Clady would represent the Broncos but Clady would move over to RT.

Funny though. I guess Centers really are the second most important position on the line.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

A lot of people are talking about how Cutler wont' be successful here with the shape our lines in but the funny thing is Denver had a pretty bad line themselves. In fact on paper they're definitely worse. Put it this way, the only guy from Denvers O-Line that would have started for us is Ryan Clady and he's geared to be a pro-bowler in the near future.

Don't get me wrong Campbell is good, but in order to really take the Super Bowl talk seriously we need someone that can bring our offense to the next level. Someone that can make our recievers effective (I mean seriously do you think Eddie Royal was really that good of a pick?). Someone that will help make the box less crowded for Portis, Betts, and Sellers. Someone thats comprable to Romo, Eli, and McNabb. I honestly believe that Cutler is that guy and going after him is a risk we almost have to take.

I don't care what names they have there. They only allowed 12 sacks (11 on Cutler) for the year compared to our 38. Individuals aside, as a unit their line was better than ours. Also where is our Bradon Marshall because he's not following Cutler in this deal. Cutler won't have the same personnel so his personal stats aren't necessarily going to translate to our team.


If Culter is a risk that we almost have to take then what was it when we moved up to the 1st round, after drafting Rogers in the 1st, and drafted Campbell in '05? We've already assumed our risk with our current QB and there is no need for adding additional risk and instability to our franchise.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

I don't care what names they have there. They only allowed 12 sacks (11 on Cutler) for the year compared to our 38. Individuals aside, as a unit their line was better than ours. Also where is our Bradon Marshall because he's not following Cutler in this deal. Cutler won't have the same personnel so his personal stats aren't necessarily going to translate to our team.


If Culter is a risk that we almost have to take then what was it when we move up to the 1st round, after drafting Rogers in the 1st, and draft Campbell in '05? We've already assumed our risk with our current QB and there is no need for adding additional risk and instability to our franchise.

Good post Tee. If Campbell had Marshall and was only sacked 12 times we would have been in the playoffs last year.

[NM Redskin]

ESPN news reports Denver wants at least two first round picks and could be traded by as early as Friday

[NM Redskin]

and that they don't necessarily want a QB in return.

[hooskins]

two first rounders? That means Culter MUST be our QB for the next 10+ years without a doubt.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by hooskins

two first rounders? That means Culter MUST be our QB for the next 10+ years without a doubt.

The Broncos got what they wanted. They got the Redskins involved and now the price is through the roof for a player that is a problem for them. You'd think they'd have to relent on their demands since they are initiating trade talks for their problem.

How do they do it? Must be nice. Where are the Skins when we are looking trade value?

[hooskins]

As mentioned we moved up to the first round for Campbell, so if we traded Campbell along with Denvers apparent demands we are giving them THREE first round picks.

That is insane. The amount of talent for three picks does not equate to Cutler. I guess the good thing is we can call him JC too....

[hooskins]

We've basically priced out the entire market because of Dip Shit's stupid hard-on for signings. Who the heck else can afford or is stupid enough to drop so much.. Now the Broncos have a monopolistic market in which to price, as Dip Shit is willing to pay whatever for his fix. I swear if we get rid of Cooley I will not be a fan anymore.

I guess eventually this won't matter when the salary cap expires and Dip Shit can make us the Yankees of the NFL.

[NM Redskin]

Originally Posted by hooskins

We've basically priced out the entire market because of Dip Shit's stupid hard-on for signings. Who the heck else can afford or is stupid enough to drop so much.. Now the Broncos have a monopolistic market in which to price, as Dip Shit is willing to pay whatever for his fix. I swear if we get rid of Cooley I will not be a fan anymore.

I guess eventually this won't matter when the salary cap expires and Dip Shit can make us the Yankees of the NFL.

And if we don't get Cutler were screwed cause Campbell is entering a lame duck year with a team who has no faith in him. And its looking like there's no way that Sanchez falls to us at # 13. Bye bye 2009, Hello Colt.

[djnemo65]

I see posts talking about Campbell being good, but not good enough to take us all the way to the Superbowl. Superbowl? Shouldn't we try and win a playoff game first?

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

I see posts talking about Campbell being good, but not good enough to take us all the way to the Superbowl. Superbowl? Shouldn't we try and win a playoff game first?

True that.

People said that about Marty Schottenheimer. "He can take you to the Conference Championship but he can't win a Super Bowl"...Was that a bad thing?

I'd love to be talked about in the playoffs while 2/3rds of the teams sat at home and watched you play. We've won more high profile free agent contracts in the last 5 years than playoff games.

[irish]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

I see posts talking about Campbell being good, but not good enough to take us all the way to the Superbowl. Superbowl? Shouldn't we try and win a playoff game first?

Good point. Unfortunately the Skins are closer to the Bengals than the Steelers. I dont see JC even taking the Skins to the playoffs. I think Cutler for JC is an obvious upgrade at QB and dont really have a problem with the Skins making this move but I'd prefer to see the Skins hold on to their picks. Denver's problem wasnt O last year and I cant imagine that Cutler can do a lot to get the Skins O moving.