2010 NFL Off-Season Rumors and Reports (Week 5)

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

Who wouldn't? I was tilting towards Shanahan on this until I heard the guy on Kornheiser say that Shanny is forcing Haslett to install the 3-4. I think it is fine to move towards a 3-4 but the reason Shanahan was run out of Denver was his failings to build defenses. It is one thing to tell Haslett, "I want to be a 3-4 team in two years". It is completely different to force a 3-4 on your coordinator and run out the best defensive lineman in football on top of that and also render a double digit sack guy useless.

We aren't even 100% positive that we have the linebackers to suceed in the 3-4 and now we are crippling our defensive line? We do not have enough picks to completely revamp a defense and our offense was the main problem last year.

This looks like history repeating itself.

I have been thinking the exact same thing! A lot of changes taking place simultaneously, maybe too many.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

Who wouldn't? I was tilting towards Shanahan on this until I heard the guy on Kornheiser say that Shanny is forcing Haslett to install the 3-4. I think it is fine to move towards a 3-4 but the reason Shanahan was run out of Denver was his failings to build defenses. It is one thing to tell Haslett, "I want to be a 3-4 team in two years". It is completely different to force a 3-4 on your coordinator and run out the best defensive lineman in football on top of that and also render a double digit sack guy useless.

We aren't even 100% positive that we have the linebackers to suceed in the 3-4 and now we are crippling our defensive line? We do not have enough picks to completely revamp a defense and our offense was the main problem last year.

This looks like history repeating itself.

What guy said that? Was it LaCanfora? Shanahan's not forcing Haslett to run a 3-4. Shahanan hired Haslett because Haslett is well-versed in multiple defenses (including the 3-4 and the 4-3). We'll see a lot of both this year

[jdc65]

I am also having difficulty with the sudden switch to a 3-4. With a win now mentality being displayed by offensive acquisitions, why drastically alter the defensive alignment that was built for a 4-3? If the team was rebuilding on offense with youth and an eye on the future, then a switch to a 3-4 makes more sense. It appears to me now that the entire front 7 needs to be replaced save for Orakpo. Fletcher is questionable in a 3-4, and is probably in his last year. Carter does not fit, not sure about where McIntosh fits, Daniels is a 1 down player, Golston is also questionable in a 3-4.

Losing Haynesworth would leave us with a line-up of : Jarmon, Kemoeatu/Montgomery, Daniels/Golston; and a linebacking corps of: Alexander/Carter, McIntosh/Henson, Fletcher, and Orakpo. This to me is a weak front 7, and we still have secondary issues.

How horrible would it be if the offense is improved, but the defense is noticeably weaker?
It could conceivably cost us a playoff spot.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by jdc65

I am also having difficulty with the sudden switch to a 3-4. With a win now mentality being displayed by offensive acquisitions, why drastically alter the defensive alignment that was built for a 4-3? If the team was rebuilding on offense with youth and an eye on the future, then a switch to a 3-4 makes more sense. It appears to me now that the entire front 7 needs to be replaced save for Orakpo. Fletcher is questionable in a 3-4, and is probably in his last year. Carter does not fit, not sure about where McIntosh fits, Daniels is a 1 down player, Golston is also questionable in a 3-4.

Losing Haynesworth would leave us with a line-up of : Jarmon, Kemoeatu/Montgomery, Daniels/Golston; and a linebacking corps of: Alexander/Carter, McIntosh/Henson, Fletcher, and Orakpo. This to me is a weak front 7, and we still have secondary issues.

How horrible would it be if the offense is improved, but the defense is noticeably weaker?
It could conceivably cost us a playoff spot.

This is what I am struggling with. McNabb wasn't brought here for a rebuilding process, he mentioned that in his press conference.

I thought that Al was the problem until I heard that Haslett wanted to run a 4-3 but was told that a 3-4 was our base defense. Why wouldn't you fix the offense this year then worry about moving to the 3-4 next year?

So Albert is taking all the heat for this situation (I still think he should show up) but the whole thing with Albert was self-imposed not by the D-Coordinator but by the head coach who has a long track record of making bad defensive decisions.

It is almost like he went out of his way to alienate AH to show that he is in charge.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

There are reasons Shanahan, Haslett, and Bruce Allen were all fired from their most recent NFL jobs. What we are seeing here is part of that. That said, all of them represent improvements over their predecessors. While i Think its completely foolish to switch to a 3-4 in 2010, i think that by the time the roster is finalized, we'll have more of the pieces in place to make the team successful.

I really think shanahan's offense will be able to score around 28 points per game. our defense will probably be one of the league's worst this year. i fully expect the switch to the 3-4 to cost us some games, though. hopefully the long-term benefit will be worth it.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

There are reasons Shanahan, Haslett, and Bruce Allen were all fired from their most recent NFL jobs. What we are seeing here is part of that. That said, all of them represent improvements over their predecessors. While i Think its completely foolish to switch to a 3-4 in 2010, i think that by the time the roster is finalized, we'll have more of the pieces in place to make the team successful.

I really think shanahan's offense will be able to score around 28 points per game. our defense will probably be one of the league's worst this year. i fully expect the switch to the 3-4 to cost us some games, though. hopefully the long-term benefit will be worth it.

I agree with you on the second paragraph, but not so much the first. They definitly are better then our last duo. However I think Allen was let go the same time Gruden was let go. Ownership chose to go in a different direction completely. Similar to our situation with Cerrato. I'm in no way saying Cerrato was awsome and he simply got thrown out with the bath water. I actually think Tampa made a mistake letting him go, but I guess that would mean the Raiders did also. So I could be wrong. Shanahan on the other hand is different. I think he probably would have been allowed to stay had he fired the DC like the owner wanted and brought in someone more qualified. Instead Shanahan was too loyal and wouldn't fire the DC. The owner got tired of the SSDD so he let Shanahan go. He never should have let Shanahan go.

Haslett has his issues. No where has he been that his defenses were top 5. If I'm not mistakent they even drifted down the chart. I'm actually worried about the defensive side of the ball. I hope and pray it turns out dominant but if it's not .... is Shanahan prepared to fire someone and bring in someone better? or will he be too loyal again?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I agree with you on the second paragraph, but not so much the first. They definitly are better then our last duo. However I think Allen was let go the same time Gruden was let go. Ownership chose to go in a different direction completely. Similar to our situation with Cerrato. I'm in no way saying Cerrato was awsome and he simply got thrown out with the bath water. I actually think Tampa made a mistake letting him go, but I guess that would mean the Raiders did also. So I could be wrong. Shanahan on the other hand is different. I think he probably would have been allowed to stay had he fired the DC like the owner wanted and brought in someone more qualified. Instead Shanahan was too loyal and wouldn't fire the DC. The owner got tired of the SSDD so he let Shanahan go. He never should have let Shanahan go.

Haslett has his issues. No where has he been that his defenses were top 5. If I'm not mistakent they even drifted down the chart. I'm actually worried about the defensive side of the ball. I hope and pray it turns out dominant but if it's not .... is Shanahan prepared to fire someone and bring in someone better? or will he be too loyal again?

We aren't even to the draft, and question of which coach will be fired first...

I guess I wonder, Shanahan basically had all year to contemplate which coaches he would want. Now I have no clue how much time he actually spent doing that, but he certainly wasn't disregarding football. So my question is, if after a year away, and time and resources to "get his guy", if Haslett doesn't pan out, why would any other coach he choose be better.

Finally, I am not sold on Haslett, but I'll at least wait til the season to see how he performs.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

We aren't even to the draft, and question of which coach will be fired first...

I guess I wonder, Shanahan basically had all year to contemplate which coaches he would want. Now I have no clue how much time he actually spent doing that, but he certainly wasn't disregarding football. So my question is, if after a year away, and time and resources to "get his guy", if Haslett doesn't pan out, why would any other coach he choose be better.

Finally, I am not sold on Haslett, but I'll at least wait til the season to see how he performs.

Uh, I didn't say I wouldn't? My comment was based off of someone elses comment in regards to Allen, Shanahan, and Haslett not being all that great cause they were fired from their last jobs.

I pointed out that I think Allen is going to be great for us. I respect Shanahan and have always liked what he's brought to the table. So I don't think our Offense will be a problem for the future. My only concern and still is my only concern is defense. I don't have any say in what happens if it works out or not. I think you even eluded to the fact that you have some concern about Haslett as our DC.

Going back to what I was talking about I refered to Shanahan not wanting to fire his DC while in Denver. It's fact. Shanahan stayed too loyal to his DC and got fired. Had Shanahan fired his DC ( who by the way was not getting it done over several seasons) then he might still be working in Denver.

I in no way implied after one season we should can Haslett. What I said was he really has not done anything in the NFL to speak of with any of his defenses and I'm a little concerned. I hope that if ever the time comes that Shanahan has to make a decision about letting someone go who is not getting the job done he does. I'd rather keep Shanahan who is a proven HC vs. having to fire him cause he's being too loyal.

and yes there are better people out there who can do the job better then Haslett.... they just weren't available.

[Monkeydad]

Wow, 4 straight posts from pocket$ $traight.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by Buster

Wow, 4 straight posts from pocket$ $traight.

My fingers are in mid-season form.

[ChickenMonkey]

All the talk about changing things too quickly is Bull....How much worse can this team get? The 2009 record was 4-12.....If Shanny comes in and blows the whole freakin team up, so be it.....Redskins fans are still hoping and praying for the SUPERBOWL..This team needs to be rebuilt, Offense and Defense...Stop hoping for the playoffs and be realistic. Donavan was added for stability during the transition, not for a 1yr Superbowl run.. Look at the defense for Green bay, they made the transition to the 3-4 fairly easy by adding linebackers through the draft and plugging in thier old DE's & DT's.... As long as the team improves on 4-12 im all for change!!!!!


Trade em all and let the draft sort it out..............

[BigHairedAristocrat]

i am dying for some rumors. anyone got anything thats semi legit and doesn't involve campbell?

i have a feeling we'll be making ALOT of moves during the draft and they'll be coming so fast we can't keep up with them. i hate the calm before the storm!

[44ever]

They would have to be crazy to get rid of this guy. One of the Best in the biz IMO.
NFL Trade Rumors: Could Asante Samuel Be Part of a Draft-Day Trade? | Bleacher Report

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by 44ever

They would have to be crazy to get rid of this guy. One of the Best in the biz IMO.
NFL Trade Rumors: Could Asante Samuel Be Part of a Draft-Day Trade? | Bleacher Report

ouch

"The whole team needs to improve from the front office, to the head coach, to the players," Samuel told CSNPhilly.com's Derrick Gunn.

[CRedskinsRule]

Adam_Schefter

The New Orleans Saints have re-signed restricted free agent offensive tackle Jermon Bushrod. Only OT they haven't signed is Jammal Brown.