The "Inside Word" on the QB Search

[Bushead]

Originally Posted by irish

You dont need a QB that can beat you with his legs, you need a QB who can beat you with accurate passes. A QB does need to be able to move around but that movement is only 2 or 3 steps in any direction. BR cant run a lick but he can move a couple of steps to get away from the heat plus he's a mountain of a man which makes him tough to bring down. Cam's biggest assett is his size and RGIII doesnt have that. Cam played 1 good season but time will tell if he's a Big Ben or a big version of Vick. Until a run style QB wins something in the pros I'll stick with a pocket passer any day.

I can kind of see where you are coming from. Watching the Qbs play yesterday, the biggest thing I noticed is moving around in the pocket and extending plays that way. It's funny that when Rex has plenty of time to throw an no one gets open, he has absolutely no idea what to do and that's where most of his bad plays came from.

But, RGIII isn't just a pure runner. He's got plenty of other strong QB skills, so it won't be just a tuck and run situation. He's going to be able to extend plays in similar ways to pass the ball down the field.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Bushead

I can kind of see where you are coming from. Watching the Qbs play yesterday, the biggest thing I noticed is moving around in the pocket and extending plays that way. It's funny that when Rex has plenty of time to throw an no one gets open, he has absolutely no idea what to do and that's where most of his bad plays came from.

But, RGIII isn't just a pure runner. He's got plenty of other strong QB skills, so it won't be just a tuck and run situation. He's going to be able to extend plays in similar ways to pass the ball down the field.

What I'm saying is when you look at the playoff QBs they are pocket passers who can move a bit to avoid the rush. RGIII is a mover who is a semi-accurate passer and that doesnt work in the NFL.

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

I could see Holmgren falling in love with Flynn. Green Bay would probably prefer he went to the AFC as well. I'd like to see us add 2-3 QBs. 1 free agent and a couple rookies.

I would love that as well. I think we end up drafting our franchise QB in the draft, keeping rex on as his backup, and drafting a guy that Shanahan has scouted out and feels comfortable with in the 6th or 7th round of the draft, hopefully with a pick we acquire by trading down somehow. I also believe that even if we DO acquire RG3 by trading up, we will still somehow come out of this years draft with 10+ prospects. And that is not including UDFA.

This is THE year that Shanahan gets his pieces (QB, depth guys) for the next 7 or 8 years for this franchise. Not saying we wont be players in FA, we will, but I liken the splash to a dive instead of a cannonball, maybe one marquee sign via FA, and I see that being either WR or secondary.

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

I'd take orton with a qb like tannehill to groom. If not then I'd go flynn or RG3

Noooo. I'm tired of losing with Vet QB's who have shown little to no potential. The fact that you put tannehill in there is what really makes this scenario even worse. I was watching his highlights against LSU last night and I litterally went from --> :confused: --> --> --> --> :vomit: from watching his highlights from beginning to end. If its RG3, Maybe Foles, Tyler Wilson, Kellen, then thats not as bad of a scenario, but Tannehill..no thanks.

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

One of the comparisons for RGIII that is most suited to him is Drew Brees. Same stature, similar arm strength and pocket presence. Don't fall into the lazy comparisons of Mike Vick and a smaller Cam Newton based on his athleticism and other 'obvious' comparables. In the pros he will be more of a Brees/Rodgers type meaning using his legs to extend plays vs. a tuck and run QB.

I see the point, and that comparison works for me. But IF RG3 gets here, I think its not out of the realm of possiblilty for him to put up more rushing yards than Newton did this year. One main reason. You give Mike Shanahan a mobile accurate guy like RG3, and you better be ready for our TE's to put up some career numbers, just due to him finally having a guy to run the bootleg and rollouts he loves so much. You couldn't see RG3 rolling out time after time, and pulling that pigskin down and using his world class speed to outrun an OLB or, say, and this is funny, but say a Reed Doughty type from another team that is slotted to spy him? My god, just with his natural talent this guy will be able to change games for us, and thats not including the head on his shoulders and his intangibles. The more I talk about him and watch film on him, the more I am falling in love with him.

Bottom Line - With an RG3, the possibilities are endless, and the ceiling is too high for us to see. I know I sound like a frikkin homer, but I really want a QB in DC. And I finally want us to go all in on a good prospect, and just go for it.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by irish

What I'm saying is when you look at the playoff QBs they are pocket passers who can move a bit to avoid the rush. RGIII is a mover who is a semi-accurate passer and that doesnt work in the NFL.

People said similar things about Cam last year too.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

People said similar things about Cam last year too.

Yep, Cam had 1 decent season and hasnt won anything yet. Time will tell.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by irish

Yep, Cam had 1 decent season and hasnt won anything yet. Time will tell.

Decent?

Give the guy credit, he's going to be the offensive rookie of the year and he broke Manning's record for passing yards as a rookie.

He was very impressive.

[CultBrennan59]

Cam had an amazing season. I'd love him to be my QB, its like he doesn't get injured with all the hits he takes. Griffin on the other hand has been injured a lot in college.

The likelyhood of getting back to back cam newton-esque seasons from QB's is very unlikely if you ask me.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by irish

Yep, Cam had 1 decent season and hasnt won anything yet. Time will tell.

Damn, how would you define a great rookie season? Broke most rookie PASSING records, protected the ball relatively well, looked like a seasoned pro. Sounds like you have a problem giving credit to QB who have any type of running ability and dismiss all other aspects of their game.

[irish]

Decent is an understatement he did have a great rookie campaign but its 1 season. I'm not ready to annoint him the next Peyton Manning yet.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Decent?

Give the guy credit, he's going to be the offensive rookie of the year and he broke Manning's record for passing yards as a rookie.

He was very impressive.

I watched almost every Panthers game this season and the guy is just untouchable, he's really almost unstoppable

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Damn, how would you define a great rookie season? Broke most rookie PASSING records, protected the ball relatively well, looked like a seasoned pro. Sounds like you have a problem giving credit to QB who have any type of running ability and dismiss all other aspects of their game.

I'll give him credit for this year. But it's usually the sophomore year they digress, just look at Bradford.

[SmootSmack]

Remind me to add "confusing 'digress' and 'regress'" to what grinds my gears thread

[skinsfaninok]

Again Sam had a hs team for his offense