Redskins, Cowboys could go “nuclear” over cap mess

[ethat001]

Two questions:

1) Would we have any options if we lost this arbitration case? I suppose we could still go "nuclear" and sue the NFL for collusion, but it wouldn't make any sense to burn our own house down...

2) If we win, and piss off the NFL... What can they do to get back at us? Open up the bounty cases? I feel like this whole thing is like a kid calling the cops after his father beat him. The cops will go away, but the kid is stuck with the father for a lifetime..

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by ethat001

Two questions:

1) Would we have any options if we lost this arbitration case? I suppose we could still go "nuclear" and sue the NFL for collusion, but it wouldn't make any sense to burn our own house down...

I believe it has been reported that we filed a grievance based on the procedural aspects of the situation. I assume to maintain the right to pursue further avenues as need be based on the outcome of this procedural filing.

2) If we win, and piss off the NFL... What can they do to get back at us? Open up the bounty cases? I feel like this whole thing is like a kid calling the cops after his father beat him. The cops will go away, but the kid is stuck with the father for a lifetime..

$1000000 question

[Gtothearry]

The league has us hooked two ways as I mentioned earlier when others were arguing we were all cleared in the bounty case: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...IvcS_blog.html

[TheMalcolmConnection]

If they reopen the bounty case against us, how far are they going to go back? Buffalo?

I mean seriously when is there a statue of limitations? There has to be sketchy stuff that's been going on for years. If you start reaching that far back, you're going to open a HUGE can of worms.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

If they reopen the bounty case against us, how far are they going to go back? Buffalo?

I mean seriously when is there a statue of limitations? There has to be sketchy stuff that's been going on for years. If you start reaching that far back, you're going to open a HUGE can of worms.

All Goodell needs to do is send the message to the NFL that he did with his punishment with the Saints organization. That's all he needs to do. From that point, what's done is done. You have to have faith that the punishment is a loud and clear enough message to the other teams. From there, move on.

Getting back to the cap penalties, I'm not surprised the other 30 teams voted in favor of the sanctions. Why wouldn't they? They are getting a competitive edge in doing so. I have no idea what's going to happen, but I think things are going to get real ugly, real soon between the Redskins, Cowboys, and the NFL.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

All Goodell needs to do is send the message to the NFL that he did with his punishment with the Saints organization. That's all he needs to do. From that point, what's done is done. You have to have faith that the punishment is a loud and clear enough message to the other teams. From there, move on.

Getting back to the cap penalties, I'm not surprised the other 30 teams voted in favor of the sanctions. Why wouldn't they? They are getting a competitive edge in doing so. I have no idea what's going to happen, but I think things are going to get real ugly, real soon between the Redskins, Cowboys, and the NFL.

I don't think there is proof that 30 teams voted in favor, only that the move was upheld. And even that, in Goodell's press conference yesterday, while refusing to answer most questions, it seemed like he made a slip of the tongue where he said that no vote occurred (which contradicts the tweet posted earlier). I don't think it really matters, as the matter has been filed to the special master, and both sides will have to make their cases there. Since it doesn't sound like a backroom deal is going to get done, I think we have to accept that we will be stuck with the lowered cap at least for this off season.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I don't think there is proof that 30 teams voted in favor, only that the move was upheld. And even that, in Goodell's press conference yesterday, while refusing to answer most questions, it seemed like he made a slip of the tongue where he said that no vote occurred (which contradicts the tweet posted earlier). I don't think it really matters, as the matter has been filed to the special master, and both sides will have to make their cases there. Since it doesn't sound like a backroom deal is going to get done, I think we have to accept that we will be stuck with the lowered cap at least for this off season.

I agree. Which, I'll be just fine if we have to deal with the lower cap this offseason, as long as they make it right next season. The biggest thing is just righting the wrong that has happened.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I agree. Which, I'll be just fine if we have to deal with the lower cap this offseason, as long as they make it right next season. The biggest thing is just righting the wrong that has happened.

It's going to be interesting to see what they do if the special master rules in our favor. $36 million in cap space next year does us no good this year. I'd love for the ruling to include a pick this year to account for our inability to approach free agency at full capacity but I know that's not gonna happen.

[mbedner3420]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

If they reopen the bounty case against us, how far are they going to go back? Buffalo?

I mean seriously when is there a statue of limitations? There has to be sketchy stuff that's been going on for years. If you start reaching that far back, you're going to open a HUGE can of worms.

Statute. Statute of limitations. It's not a statue. It's not a sculpture of limitations.

Sorry don't mean to pick on you, TheMalcolmConnection. It was just an opportune time to use a good Seinfeld reference.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by mbedner3420

Statute. Statute of limitations. It's not a statue. It's not a sculpture of limitations.

Sorry don't mean to pick on you, TheMalcolmConnection. It was just an opportune time to use a good Seinfeld reference.

HA! You actually had me Google that term to make sure I had it right!

[mooby]

Edit: Derp.

[Mechanix544]

Here is your statue of limitations. its real.

[Dirtbag59]

The part of this that gave me hope came about from the fact that until now the story has barely been covered on official NFL outlets. When it first broke there was a vague mention of it on NFL.com and NFL Network to which if I remember correctly we weren't even specifically named. It's only really picked up steam NFL media wise recently with the filing for arbitration.

Compare that to bountygate where Goodell appeared on NFL Network then held a press conference at the owners meeting to answer questions about bountygate.

My point being the NFL wanted the world to know about bountygate and send a clear cut message where as with cap gate it seems like the league has tip toed around the issue with the exception of Mara who I'm loving right now with his foot in his mouth.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Maybe this should go in the Grind Your Gears thread, but can we come up with something more clever than Bountygate and Capgate? I'm not saying I'm the man for the job, but I think collectively we can do better.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by ArtMonkDrillz

Maybe this should go in the Grind Your Gears thread, but can we come up with something more clever than Bountygate and Capgate? I'm not saying I'm the man for the job, but I think collectively we can do better.

Probably better suited for the GyG thread, but quick question while we're on the subject. Can I keep calling this gateGate?