Gun Control Thread- Should we?

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I gave a link. Sorry but the minute I read your post from that site I knew there was more to the story. He guy had lost his right to own a gun because he had shot at other unarmed people before this happened. He claimed to be up satairs when he shot the intruders and evidence showed he shot them from down stairs. I think if he beat them with a bat he could have also faced the same type of charges from reading more on what happened.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Martin_(farmer)

Poor, innocent youths.......:

On 10 January 2000, Fearon and Darren Bark, both admitted to conspiring to burgle Martin's farmhouse. Fearon was sentenced to three years in prison, and Bark to 30 months (with an additional 12 months arising from previous offences). Fearon was released on 10 August 2001. Fred Barras, the dead youth, had accumulated a lengthy criminal record, having been arrested 29 times by the time of his death at the age of 16, and had been sentenced to two months in a young offenders' institution for assaulting a policeman, theft and being drunk and disorderly. On the night he was killed, the teenager had just been released on bail after being accused of stealing garden furniture.

This should act as a warning to those who hope we can use medical judgment to limit firearms:

In October 2001, during the appeal.....the defence also submitted evidence that Martin was diagnosed with paranoid personality disorder exacerbated by depression and that his paranoia was specifically directed at anyone intruding into his home.

You'll see this over and over here in the U.S.. Hindsight and post-victim finger-pointing, how's that going to help?

[HailGreen28]

New York just went full retard.

Gov. Cuomo and legislative leaders were on the verge Sunday night of finalizing a major gun-control deal that would give New York the nation’s toughest assault weapons ban, sources told the Daily News.

I like the tying of mental health to gun ownership. The devil (or angel) of that will be in the details. But the rest... ban of private sales, some weapons, ammunition limits, all this will do nothing to reduce crime or violence.

And the whole pre 1994 thing is NOT a "loophole". Is the mag restriction also non-grandfather clause? Ex post facto if so...and makes previous law abiding citizens into instant felons. While still doing nothing positive.

It'll be interesting to see what emerges, and if anything is struck down judicially.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

New York just went full retard.

Gov. Cuomo and legislative leaders were on the verge Sunday night of finalizing a major gun-control deal that would give New York the nation’s toughest assault weapons ban, sources told the Daily News.

I like the tying of mental health to gun ownership. The devil (or angel) of that will be in the details. But the rest... ban of private sales, some weapons, ammunition limits, all this will do nothing to reduce crime or violence.

And the whole pre 1994 thing is NOT a "loophole". Is the mag restriction also non-grandfather clause? Ex post facto if so...and makes previous law abiding citizens into instant felons. While still doing nothing positive.

It'll be interesting to see what emerges, and if anything is struck down judicially.

Done deal.Maryland next

New York passes nation's toughest gun control law | NJ.com

York state enacted the nation's toughest gun restrictions today and the first since the Connecticut school massacre, including an expanded assault-weapon ban and background checks for buying ammunition.
Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo signed the measure into law less than an hour after it won final passage in the Legislature, with supporters hailing it as a model for the nation and gun-rights activists condemning it as a knee-jerk piece of legislation that won't make anyone safer and is too extreme to win support in the rest of the country.
"Common sense can win," Cuomo said. "You can overpower the extremists with intelligence and with reason and with common sense."

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by Giantone

"Common sense can win," Cuomo said. "You can overpower the extremists with intelligence and with reason and with common sense."

I love the use of words like 'Overpower' and 'Extremists' when discussing law abiding gun owners.

Bravo, noble sheepleherder, bravo!

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

I love the use of words like 'Overpower' and 'Extremists' when discussing law abiding gun owners.

Bravo, noble sheepleherder, bravo!

I agree. I think this might apply here.

Articles: The Left's Greatest Mind-Trick: Politicizing Emotion

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Done deal.Maryland next

New York passes nation's toughest gun control law | NJ.com

York state enacted the nation's toughest gun restrictions today and the first since the Connecticut school massacre, including an expanded assault-weapon ban and background checks for buying ammunition.
Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo signed the measure into law less than an hour after it won final passage in the Legislature, with supporters hailing it as a model for the nation and gun-rights activists condemning it as a knee-jerk piece of legislation that won't make anyone safer and is too extreme to win support in the rest of the country.
"Common sense can win," Cuomo said. "You can overpower the extremists with intelligence and with reason and with common sense."

Full. Retard. Cuomo's gun control bill, and your post.

Look at the actual bill. LINK The first idiocy found: Page 22. Starting at line 6. Bold mine, though the whole paragraph is horrible.

"265.01-b Criminal_possession of a firearm. A person is guilty of criminal possession of a firearm when he or she: (1) possesses any firearm or; (2) lawfully possesses a firearm prior to the effective date of the chapter of the laws of two thousand thirteen which added this section subject to the registration requirements of subdivision sixteen-a of section 400.00 of this chapter and knowingly fails to register such firearm pursuant to such subdivision.

Criminal possession of a firearm is a Class E felony."

If the Second Amendment's still in existence, and there's any common sense and respect for the law, this law gets completely thrown out in the first court case.

At this point I'm not expecting the president's "proposals" to be any smarter or effective.

edit: Looking here (LINK) and here (LINK) to look for context after seeing there's no outrage over the quote I listed elsewhere on the web. And there's even more stringent weapon control in § 265.01 at the second link... It doesn't seem like the above refers to just persons committing other crimes. The language suggests an out-right ban, yet if so 265.01 would already outlaw many weapons and non-weapons. What am I missing here?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Done deal.Maryland next

New York passes nation's toughest gun control law | NJ.com

York state enacted the nation's toughest gun restrictions today and the first since the Connecticut school massacre, including an expanded assault-weapon ban and background checks for buying ammunition.
Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo signed the measure into law less than an hour after it won final passage in the Legislature, with supporters hailing it as a model for the nation and gun-rights activists condemning it as a knee-jerk piece of legislation that won't make anyone safer and is too extreme to win support in the rest of the country.
"Common sense can win," Cuomo said. "You can overpower the extremists with intelligence and with reason and with common sense."

I have no clue whether this law will have any substantitive effect, but one thing I can guarantee is that laws made on the heels of any major tragedy inevitably include bad parts, and parts that take away rights that most people wouldn't even consider giving up even a few weeks later.

[Alvin Walton]

Cuomo wants to "win" and have it his way. He doesnt have the countrys best interests at heart, just his own. You can tell by the way he words things.
Not to mention the guys idiotic 16 oz soda ban.
New York is a sh1thole of repression.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Cuomo wants to "win" and have it his way. He doesnt have the countrys best interests at heart, just his own. You can tell by the way he words things.
Not to mention the guys idiotic 16 oz soda ban.
New York is a sh1thole of repression.

That would be mayor Bloomberg,not the Governor.

[RedskinRat]

NY and CA are perfect examples of a Nanny State.

[RedskinRat]

Thank **** for The One, we're all safe! /sarc

Obama announces 23 exective actions, asks Congress to pass gun laws



1. "Issue a presidential memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system."

2. "Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system."

3. "Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system."

4. "Direct the attorney general to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks."

5. "Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun."

6. "Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers."

7. "Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign."

8. "Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission)."

9. "Issue a presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations."

10. "Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement."

11. "Nominate an ATF director."

12. "Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations."

13. "Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime."

14. "Issue a presidential memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence."

15. "Direct the attorney general to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies."

16. "Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes."

17. "Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities."

18. "Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers."

19. "Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education."

20. "Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover."

21. "Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges."

22. "Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations."

23. "Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health."

[Daseal]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

Thank **** for The One, we're all safe! /sarc

Obama announces 23 exective actions, asks Congress to pass gun laws



1. "Issue a presidential memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system."

2. "Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system."

3. "Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system."

4. "Direct the attorney general to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks."

5. "Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun."

6. "Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers."

7. "Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign."

8. "Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission)."

9. "Issue a presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations."

10. "Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement."

11. "Nominate an ATF director."

12. "Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations."

13. "Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime."

14. "Issue a presidential memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence."

15. "Direct the attorney general to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies."

16. "Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes."

17. "Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities."

18. "Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers."

19. "Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education."

20. "Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover."

21. "Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges."

22. "Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations."

23. "Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health."

RR. What are your actual concern with these changes? To me, this seems to really harp on background checks and making sure that people buying guns are permitted to have guns and to look at the mental health of people buying guns. Isn't that something both sides agreed on?

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by Daseal

RR. What are your actual concern with these changes? To me, this seems to really harp on background checks and making sure that people buying guns are permitted to have guns and to look at the mental health of people buying guns. Isn't that something both sides agreed on?

He's done **** all, that's my problem. We already have shit in place, WTF difference is going to be made by more bureaucracy?

Absolute hot air session and nothing more. It can be summed up by the words 'DO OUR JOB'.

[Alvin Walton]

Doctors are being deputized.....thats nice.

[RedskinRat]

FD, this is a more even telling of the Martin story:


THE TONY MARTIN STORY

It should be viewed as a blueprint for what we can expect here, when people have no legal recourse to protect themselves.