Are you buying into the Shanaplan?

[Mechanix544]

I just wanted to mark it for the record, I am not one of the three that voted NO.

HAIL!!!!!!

[CRedskinsRule]

QB play is clearly an area we have lacked for a long time. The other part of the McNabb trade was the releasing of JC. I was one who rather would have kept JC, but clearly his play since being released, including his time in Oakland, showed keeping him would have done nothing more than McNabb/Grossman and the upside potential of McNabb and Grossman were better at the time. So, while I don't think Shanahan gets kudos for handling the JC/McNabb situation, ultimately we came out ahead, and I don't think it set the team back any in its development.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

This wasn't new thread worthy, but is it time to let Shanny off the hook for the McNabb deal? Consider this since the trade:
Philadelphia has a 22-26 record, no clear answer at QB, has changed front office personnel, fired their coach and is looking at starting over. The picks traded for McNabb (Nate Allen, repeatedly injured and benched & through a series of trades Casey Matthews, DeMeco Ryans & Nick Foles) haven't yielded much fruit for the Eagles. Foles may turn out to be serviceable but he's far from a clear cut NFL starting QB.

From our side we are 21-27 (one game worse), have a clear answer at QB, stability in coaching and front office and turned McNabb into the pick that brought us Alfred Morris.

How does that deal look from a different perspective now?

Funny how quickly things change eh?

Look at the way things are shaping up in the division. The Eagles are in full rebuild mode, the Cowboys are stumbling and bumbling around as usual, Romo is nearing the end of his contract there, and the Giants lost a lot of their luster this year and showed that you can't just expect to turn it on at the end of every season. Meanwhile the Skins are stocked with young talent are only trending upward.

[Chico23231]

Build through the draft, what a concept right?

East Division Champs after the 3rd year? NO question the plan has worked. HTTR

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Build through the draft, what a concept right?

East Division Champs after the 3rd year? NO question the plan has worked. HTTR

And do your homework well when acquiring FAs (Cofield, Carriker, Garcon, Morgan)

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Build through the draft, what a concept right?

East Division Champs after the 3rd year? NO question the plan has worked. HTTR

Should be the first of many with RGIII

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

And do your homework well when acquiring FAs (Cofield, Carriker, Garcon, Morgan)

Yeah, you always gotta spend to add quality, but you have to spend wisely and bring in good players, but good people as well.


Look to the Eagles on what not to do...Reid was crazy and spent oodles for over priced free agents and look where they are now. Glad we dont do that ish anymore.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Yeah, you always gotta spend to add quality, but you have to spend wisely and bring in good players, but good people as well.


Look to the Eagles on what not to do...Reid was crazy and spent oodles for over priced free agents and look where they are now. Glad we dont do that ish anymore.

Well we still spend a lot on free agents and probably always will.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

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Well we still spend a lot on free agents and probably always will.

We don't spend as recklessly as we used to in the Vinny days.

Under Allen the contracts have been much more in line with what the market pays.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Yeah, you always gotta spend to add quality, but you have to spend wisely and bring in good players, but good people as well.


Look to the Eagles on what not to do...Reid was crazy and spent oodles for over priced free agents and look where they are now. Glad we dont do that ish anymore.

I'm still shocked that the Iggles basically took our blueprint for losing under Vinny and followed it step by step. They got a whole bunch of pricey free agents (some past their primes) and let their o-line deteriorate.

[MTK]

Kinda felt like Reid and the Eagles got desperate the last couple of years. I guess he saw his window to win it all coming to a close so he gambled on some big free agents and lost. His drafts lately were also lacking.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Kinda felt like Reid and the Eagles got desperate the last couple of years. I guess he saw his window to win it all coming to a close so he gambled on some big free agents and lost. His drafts lately were also lacking.

Started to build his team like Washington Redskins of old by just signing and trading for big free agents instead of building his team through the draft and a few key moves. It is what happens when teams get desperate.

[SmootSmack]

I think the Eagles are actually in pretty good shape as far as having draft picks and even cap room moving forward, particularly when they move Vick.

I don't think their turnaround time will be too long

I'm curious what Reid's legacy will be. Like if I were an Eagles fan, would I look back on these past 14 years and say "We really had one of the better franchises for nearly a decade and a half" or would I say "Reid stayed too long and for what? No rings. Had we made a change a few years back maybe we'd have at least one ring"

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think the Eagles are actually in pretty good shape as far as having draft picks and even cap room moving forward, particularly when they move Vick.

I don't think their turnaround time will be too long

I'm curious what Reid's legacy will be. Like if I were an Eagles fan, would I look back on these past 14 years and say "We really had one of the better franchises for nearly a decade and a half" or would I say "Reid stayed too long and for what? No rings. Had we made a change a few years back maybe we'd have at least one ring"

Knowing Eagles fans they are saying good riddance.

Depending on who their next coach is, I think in time they may look back and have a different view on Reid. Or at least they should... he had a lot of success there. Granted they didn't win it all, but still. Let's see them go through 20 years of mediocrity like we have post Gibbs 1.0 and see how they feel.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think the Eagles are actually in pretty good shape as far as having draft picks and even cap room moving forward, particularly when they move Vick.

I don't think their turnaround time will be too long

I'm curious what Reid's legacy will be. Like if I were an Eagles fan, would I look back on these past 14 years and say "We really had one of the better franchises for nearly a decade and a half" or would I say "Reid stayed too long and for what? No rings. Had we made a change a few years back maybe we'd have at least one ring"

Safe to say this is a critical time for the Eagles? They do have some nice offensive talent, decent in terms of picks and cap room but they've got nothing of note to build around on defense, their OL is ok but aging at key places. The right coach can come in and turn around quickly or the wrong guy can crater them into a full rebuild.

I've got lots of family who are Eagles fans who have been calling for the end of Reid for at least 5 years. Those type of fans are in the second line of your thought but I think in a couple of years they will yearn for the consistency of winning 9-12 games per season of most of the Reid era.