Who is Kirk Cousins?

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Poll has no appropriate choice for how I view KC, so I picked "superstar in the making" because he's not "just a guy" IMO.

Yes. Thank you.

[Chico23231]

Just a guy until he proves otherwise....to some an obvious pineapple Jesus part deux

[OmahaRedskins]

Can we add one more choice? something between average and superstar.

[NoCalHail]

My worry is that in the modern day NFL it is harder to not only build, but maintain a "super" team. This isn't the 80's or even early 90's where you can just hoard talent continually. You draft for 3-4 seasons, need to hit on most picks and then you have that 2-3 year window before the bills come in and you better have replenished the roster with new and equally as good draft picks. That is the only way to do it without an elite QB.

The Patriots have been the most consistent team in the last decade and more, because of their QB. With that said finding a Tom Brady is probably more unlikely than building a contender the other way, but most teams that win consistently it is because the QB is at that elite level and suddenly other pieces on the team become extremely inter-changeable.

I'd rather not be in the situation where you need the rest of the team to be so good everywhere so the margin of error with the QB can be bigger. Look at the Seahawks right now, how quickly they fell from grace. Their defense just got a few steps slower/older and suddenly Russell Wilson's margin for error is tiny, unlike his first few years in the league when he was able to make a fair number of mistakes in games and the team would still win. What is he going to be long term? Who knows. Colin Kapernick? Do people remember that scrub took a team to the Superbowl? Then the roster around him became average and he is probably done forever as a starter.

There are different routes to making a contender, but I still think the most proven way starts with an elite QB.

[OmahaRedskins]

Originally Posted by CrustyRedskin

Id take Kirk Cousins over these guys.
Jeff Rutledge
Cary Conklin
Rich Gannon
John Friesz
Heath Shuler
Gus Frerotte
Jeff Hostetler
Trent Green
Brad Johnson* Possible Push
Jeff George
Tony Banks
Shane Matthews
Danny Wuerffuel
Patrick Ramsey
Rob Johnson
Tim Hasselbeck (aka Mr Elizabeth Hasselbeck)
Mark Brunell(not in his prime)
Jason Campbell
Todd Collins
Donovan McNabb
John Beck
Rex Grossman
RGIII
Colt McCoy

At this point, I would take Brad Johnson. He is a super bowl winning QB, 72-53 career record,and completed over 60% of his passes.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by NoCalHail

There are different routes to making a contender, but I still think the most proven way starts with an elite QB.

If we aren't one of the 3 or 4 teams that gets one in a given generation, I could settle for a winning team built the other way.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by OmahaRedskins

I have no issues with drafting a QB, but at what round? History shows, QB's drafted in later rounds never make it. (Not including Brady) If Kirk is the starter next year, I do not want to spend a 1st or 2nd round pick on a QB, We have too many holes to fill. WR, Safety, etc...



Spending a high draft pick on a QB will cause a QB controversy and more dysfunction. I do not want to listen to another year of dumba$$ commentary, Rodney Harrison.

Agreed. Do not waste a pick on a backup when we need mlb, edge rusher, db, s, wr, and more beef on both sides of the line. What about tight end? Good special teams guys. I know we are getting a handful of guys back from injury n IR but others will go there. We have way to many holes to go looking for something better than what we have rite now. If Cousins shits the bed the second half than we are at a real disadvantage.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by NoCalHail

There are different routes to making a contender, but I still think the most proven way starts with an elite QB.

No shit, Sherlock! Do you happen to know where we can get one prior to the start of the 2016 season?

[Skinzman]

[quote=Brody81;1128126]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

It has nothing to do with him being a 4th round pick. No one cares about where he was drafted just like no one talks down Tom Brady because he was a 6th round pick. I guarantee you that no one would complain about having multiple SBs being led by a 6th rounder. It has to do with his games. Some great, some good, some terrible. Its that simple. You see his terrible games and call them great QB performances and that it was the rest of the team that let him down because it fits your narrative. KC is what he is... Average. Can he get better? Sure. Does that mean he will get better? No one knows.





You are just looking for excuses that KC is the greatest ever to fit your narrative. Stop claiming what we think, especially when every time that you do, its an idiotic statement. We hate KC because he is a 4th rounder? Really... You actually said that?[/QUOTE



Yes I did say it and it the truth with some fans. If Kirk was a 1st round draft pick with the amount of starts he has this forum would not be even discussing the need to draft another QB. It would be he is learning the position and I expect him to be inconsistent. The fact our GM was high on Kirk coming out of college should should tell you he has talent and could turn into something special if given the chance. If you have a better option ie., free agency, draft, please enlighten us..

I have never said we had a better option. I am just laughing at the stupidity of that statement. That we only root for 1st round picks. That is such a ridiculous statement. Also how wrong you are since people turned on RG3 by year 2. Our current GM was high on RG3 also, whats your point? Would you be using the excuse that McC liked RG3 coming out of college if he was the starter and playing bad?

Part of the problem I have with this discussion are the people that talked about how we were a SB winning team if Dan Snyder would just let the team switch from RG3 to KC. Now that we have switched to KC, those people (yes that includes you Brody) are now saying that the problem is our team has absolutely zero talent except the greatest QB ever. So which is it?

This team, talent wise, is better than at any time that RG3 was the starter (and that includes the injuries). Yet, according to you, this talent laden team just last year is now defunct of talent.

PS... No one gives a crap about what round KC was drafted in.

[punch it in]

[QUOTE=Skinzman;1128160]

Originally Posted by Brody81

I have never said we had a better option. I am just laughing at the stupidity of that statement. That we only root for 1st round picks. That is such a ridiculous statement. Also how wrong you are since people turned on RG3 by year 2. Our current GM was high on RG3 also, whats your point? Would you be using the excuse that McC liked RG3 coming out of college if he was the starter and playing bad?



Part of the problem I have with this discussion are the people that talked about how we were a SB winning team if Dan Snyder would just let the team switch from RG3 to KC. Now that we have switched to KC, those people (yes that includes you Brody) are now saying that the problem is our team has absolutely zero talent except the greatest QB ever. So which is it?



This team, talent wise, is better than at any time that RG3 was the starter (and that includes the injuries). Yet, according to you, this talent laden team just last year is now defunct of talent.



PS... No one gives a crap about what round KC was drafted in.

I dont ever remember someone saying
1) KC is the greatest qb ever
2) if we switched to KC we would win a superbowl
3) The team has zero talent besides KC

I have heard....

1)KC is getting better and that he is the best qb on our team.
2)Switching from RG-3 to KC would be an improvement
3)This team has alot of holes that need to be addressed before QB.

Did people really say such things? If so they were obviously high, drunk, or any combination of the two.

[NoCalHail]

Yeah the results with Cousins as QB haven't been all that much different than with Robert. There are some things Cousins does better considering he has been running a pro-"like" system for a longer time than Robert, but when all is said and done our offense is still pretty subpar. The talent level of the team is not where it needs to be in order to contend, but is anyone really going to try and make an argument that the talent around the QB in 2015 is not way better than it was in 2012-2014?

Regardless of which side you fall on in the "who is the better option" discussion, I don't think anyone was arguing that there weren't some things that Cousins was flat out better than over Robert. The question for me has always been, do you give Robert the reps and time to try and learn the rest while he is playing out his rookie contract while being on a team that isn't likely to sniff more than 6 wins regardless of who is QB? Especially if you don't think Cousins is the long term answer at the QB spot either.

[BaltimoreSkins]

[QUOTE=punch it in;1128164][QUOTE=Skinzman;1128160]


I dont ever remember someone saying
1) KC is the greatest qb ever
2) if we switched to KC we would win a superbowl
3) The team has zero talent besides KC

I have heard....

1)KC is getting better and that he is the best qb on our team.
2)Switching from RG-3 to KC would be an improvement
3)This team has alot of holes that need to be addressed before QB.

Did people really say such things? If so they were obviously high, drunk, or any combination of the two.[/QUOTE]

Reminds me of the time I called my ex-wife and told her she had a butt that wouldn't quit.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by NoCalHail

The question for me has always been, do you give Robert the reps and time to try and learn the rest while he is playing out his rookie contract while being on a team that isn't likely to sniff more than 6 wins regardless of who is QB? Especially if you don't think Cousins is the long term answer at the QB spot either.

That question has already been answered by Jay Gruden who is hitching his wagon to Kirk Cousin's star.

BTW, it took you long enough to get around to your true agenda which is to promote the idea that RGIII should be playing. You might get your wish if things go rapidly downhill for the Skins, thus allowing RGIII to outlast Gruden and Cousins.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by OmahaRedskins

At this point, I would take Brad Johnson. He is a super bowl winning QB, 72-53 career record,and completed over 60% of his passes.

Also Trent Green...he had some pretty good years in the NFL. He also had a real good year here in 98 on a bad team.

[NoCalHail]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

That question has already been answered by Jay Gruden who is hitching his wagon to Kirk Cousin's star.

BTW, it took you long enough to get around to your true agenda which is to promote the idea that RGIII should be playing. You might get your wish if things go rapidly downhill for the Skins allowing RGIII to outlast Gruden and Cousins.

The only "agenda" I have is for the 'Skins to win games. Right now they are 3-5, most likely on their way to another losing season with a QB that a lot of this fanbase is/was convinced was going to make a huge difference for the offense.

I am not judging Kirk's play against Robert's play. I am judging Kirk's play based on what I see Kirk do. I want him to succeed. If he is who the coaches and management feel is fit for the role, I want him to evolve into "the man" but it doesn't mean he just automatically gets some kind of benefit of the doubt. He is not a 23 year old rookie. He is someone who likely is going to have to show a lot in the 2nd half of the season because a quick decision is going to have to be made on what to do with him going forward as he becomes a free agent.