NFL Free Agency 2016

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I don't mean to turn this into a social commentary, but I think it is a bit laughable that Gordon will likely never set foot in an NFL field because of pot; yet the NFL is yet to do anything about Manziel, whose domestic violence case has been sent to a grand jury in Texas.

Yeah the NFL is a little archaic in that way.

[Schneed10]

Your beef isn't with the NFL, it's with our laws. Drinking responsibly is legal. Weed without a prescription is not, at least in almost every state.

If the US, or even a majority of states, make weed legal then you'll see the NFL remove it from the banned substance list.

As for Manziel's domestic violence situation he will definitely be punished, that's just a matter of time.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Manziel is a tool and a fool, but as far as performance on the field he has had better ones than Griff as of late.

You must mean because Griffin didn't play in 2015? Because even towards the end of 2014 Griff vs Manziel end 2015 your statement isn't accurate. But, when has accuracy ever been requirement when discussing Griffin?

[JoeRedskin]

Manziel over Griffin makes no sense to me. At all.

Read several reviews of Manziel's play. It was in many ways a mirror of RGIII's both in why things went right - when he was moving and improvising - and why things went wrong - couldn't read D's, held ball too long, and failed to go through progressions or trust receivers. Beyond that, RGIII just has better physical tools than Manziel.

The only other difference is RGIII is a diva and Manziel is a douche.

[punch it in]

No doubt Griff has better physical tools. So did Jack Lelane but he probably cant play qb. As I said neither one is the answer anywhere. However the last couple times either one stepped on the field Manziel was the better of the two. I dont care what year it was, and of course all Griff man crushes must be set aside to see that.

[punch it in]

Please do not take this as an endorsement for Manziel. He sucks. However Griff looks like the more gun shy, indecisive, inaccurate of the two really bad quarterbacks.

[calia]

Just clicked open this thread to see what's up. Saw the RGIII v. Manziel debate raging and decided I will see if there's something (and by something I mean ANYTHING) better going on in another thread.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by calia

Just clicked open this thread to see what's up. Saw the RGIII v. Manziel debate raging and decided I will see if there's something (and by something I mean ANYTHING) better going on in another thread.

And here we have a live look-in at the Manziel vs. RG3 debate:

[30gut]

Originally Posted by punch it in

...However the last couple times either one stepped on the field Manziel was the better of the two. I dont care what year it was, and of course all Griff man crushes must be set aside to see that.

Lol, of course must be Griffin man crush to disagree that Manziel was better then Griffin. Couldn't possible be that your statement doesn't reflect the production?

You know what's odd? I mainly see you post about Griffin don't recall seeing you much in the FA, draft or defense threads. You seem to me to post almost exclusively about Griffin. Yet when your posts receive responses in disagreement you claim it's due to
Griffin man crush, lol. Maybe methinks you have the man crush then?

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Lol, of course must be Griffin man crush to disagree that Manziel was better then Griffin. Couldn't possible be that your statement doesn't reflect the production?



You know what's odd? I mainly see you post about Griffin don't recall seeing you much in the FA, draft or defense threads. You seem to me to post almost exclusively about Griffin. Yet when your posts receive responses in disagreement you claim it's due to

Griffin man crush, lol. Maybe methinks you have the man crush then?

You could not be more wrong about me only posting about Griff. I actually agree with Calia n Mooby. I don't even care. Lol.
Edit:
Elway agrees with me. 30 gut disagrees. Hmm? Thats the same as two agrees.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by punch it in

You could not be more wrong about me only posting about Griff. I actually agree with Calia n Mooby. I don't even care. Lol.
Edit:
Elway agrees with me. 30 gut disagrees. Hmm? Thats the same as two agrees.

If you didn't care then you wouldn't post. It's okay by me. Just own it. I admit I always care when people post stuff that isn't accurate.

And your thought/blind assumption that Elway agrees with you, lol, actually makes my point that Manziel/Griffin for the Broncos isn't about football. Because again your assertion doesn't match the actual production.

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[punch it in]

30-gut. Is it really so inaccurate of me to say Manziel imo has been the better qb of the two bad ones? Over their last 9 games he has a better td/int ratio and also Griff was sacked twice as much? On top of that Griff was playing on a better team than he was. Cannot say that in many cases but surely in the case of the Browns. Listen I really do not care. I do not hate Griff. It sucks what happened to him. Imo he has looked worse than Manziel over their respective last few starts but we are splitting hairs. You have your opinion and i have mine. There are arguments to be made on either side. Seriously though since neither one will ever be relevant again to any team, let alone mine, I am through talking about it. Lol.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by punch it in

...as far as performance on the field he[Manzeil] has had better ones than Griff as of late.

Originally Posted by punch it in

...However the last couple times either one stepped on the field Manziel was the better of the two. I dont care what year it was, and of course all Griff man crushes must be set aside to see that.

Griff
Sat 12/20
vs PHI
W 27-24Against a team that needed that game to go to the playoffs
16/23-220 yds--69.6 comp%--9.57 YPA--1 INT----81.8 passer rating

PFF:
Robert Griffin III, QB: -0.6

Breakdown: It was a solid overall performance for RG3, having success on short, intermediate, and deep targets alike. Two interception-worthy throws, one pick-six worthy at the goal line, brought his grade down considerably, though. That said, Griffin made some beautiful throws including the two deep balls to Jackson and the on perfectly thrown deep out on a 3rd-and-19 early in the second quarter that was dropped by Andre Roberts.

Signature Stat: Despite all the criticism of his ability to read defenses, Grififin’s arm still works well when given the chance. His accuracy percentage of 79.0% is third best in the NFL.


Sun 12/28
vs DAL
L 17-44
27/41--336--65.9 comp%--8.20 YPA--1 TD--2 INT--78.9 passer rating

PFF:
Robert Griffin III, QB: -6.0

Breakdown: His 336 receiving yards look good on the surface, but dive a little deeper and you’ll see that his receivers accumulated a massive 314 yards after the catch thanks to a litany of screens and dump offs. His only completions over 20 yards came on passes to DeSean Jackson and Pierre Garcon behind the line of scrimmage. RG3 rarely challenged the defense, and while it’s uncertain how much of that is on Griffin and how much is on the play calling/offensive system, friction between Griffin and the coaching staff could make that a moot point by next August.

Signature Stat: Not counting his throw-aways, Griffin threw only one pass aimed over ten yards in the air, a deep shot to Santana Moss in double coverage.

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JFF
@ SEA
Sun 12/20
L 13-30
19/32-161 yds--59.4 comp%--5.03 YPA--1 TD--1 INT--69.9 passer rating

PFF:

– QB Johnny Manziel (-2.9) was given his fifth start of the season this week. Outside of the fumble and interception on the Browns’ final drive with the game already out of reach, Manziel did not make any dangerous mistakes. On multiple occasions, he made throws to open receivers that still could have been caught for first downs, but his inaccuracy made the receivers’ adjustments and the catches much more difficult than need be. Manziel completed just three of nine passes targeted 10+ yards downfield, and did not throw a pass targeted 20+ yards downfield prior to the final drive.


Sun 12/27
@ KC
L 13-17
13/32--136 yds--40.6 comp%--4.25 YPA--1 INT--40.6 passer rating

PFF:
Quarterback: Johnny Manziel, Browns (-5.5)

Manziel was good when he scrambled yesterday, but was bad when asked to actually throw the football. His -9.8 pass grade is one of the worst we’ve ever recorded. When the Chiefs didn’t blitz and Manziel was forced to throw into coverage, he completed just 39 percent of his passes and averaged a mere 4.4 yards per attempt. He also threw a terrible interception and had two more bad passes that should have been intercepted. He looked uncomfortable all game long, and yesterday was not a good day for those who believe he’s made any significant development as a quarterback.