What would it take?

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by MTK

Bye Felicia

Andrew Puzder withdraws as a labor secretary nominee - CNNPolitics.com

This guy , Flynn, Spicer will be gone soon as will Kellyanne,who is next to be gone?

[punch it in]

I have gone from pissed off to lovin it. I know it is bad on so many levels but it has honestly become a guilty pleasure to watch this travesty unfold. Love the right pretending like that just didn't happen...every 30 minutes too.
It is only a matter of time. He is so completely clueless and unaware of what he is doing. It is hysterical and disgusting all wrapped up into one surreal piece of American history.

[JoeRedskin]

I honestly don't know what to think right now. Sure, there has been some epic BS (Devos, Flynn, the Executive Order roll-out), but something tells me that there is more to this than meets the eye ... and not necessarily as in "Holy Crap! This is just the tip of the BS iceberg."

On both Russian interference in the election and on cooperating with them in Syria, Mattes's comments directly contradicted Trump. Same with Nicki Haley's comments about Russia and sanctions. Trump when confronted with this sidesteps, avoids, maintains his "lets be friends / no interference" stand. It may be that he is just a lying dumbass. But, I watch the CNN commentators being completely flummoxed by his seemingly imperviousness to facts. "He either wasn't properly briefed or what he saying is illogical"; "He can't believe that statement," etc.

When he first came in he was mocked for not "draining the swamp" with his picks, now - the press, the Democratic establishment, the Republican establishment, and foreign allies and enemies are all sitting back and going "WTF??" Well, either he is crazy and we should all be building are bomb shelters and stocking up on food, water, and tradable goods we will need to survive the zombie apocalypse OR he is crazy like a fox and traditional norms of politics and diplomacy are being reset in order to halt creeping group think globalism and the extension of federal regulatory tendrils into all walks of life.

I honestly don't know which it is but, I am convinced that, just b/c it is not "business as usual" as we all sing kumbayah, it is not necessarily a bad thing.

[As a comparison, for long time Baltimore and Maryland residents, Trump is beginning to remind me of Willy Don Schaefer. In all his public appearances, WDS was buffoonish. Epically so. Newspaper reporters (the local media generally loved Willie Don - until the tired of him after about 20 years), when reporting on his speeches would edit great chunks of gibberish out of them. Rumors were constantly swirling about crap going down at the Statehouse, BUT, at the end of the day, a lot of sh** got done and done right. WDS appointed folks in key positions, let them establish their fiefdoms and then played umpire between them - it worked great for about 15 years.]

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I honestly don't know what to think right now. Sure, there has been some epic BS (Devos, Flynn, the Executive Order roll-out), but something tells me that there is more to this than meets the eye ... and not necessarily as in "Holy Crap! This is just the tip of the BS iceberg.

Mattes, on both Russian interference in the election and on cooperating with them in Syria, comments directly contradicted Trump. Same with Nicki Haley's comments about Russia and sanctions. Trump when confronted with this sidesteps, avoids, maintains his "lets be friends / no interference" stand. It may be that he is just a lying dumbass. But, I watch the CNN commentators being completely flummoxed by his seemingly imperviousness to facts. "He either wasn't properly briefed or what he saying is illogical"; "He can't believe that statement," etc.

When he first came in he was mocked for not "draining the swamp" with his picks, now - the press, the Democratic establishment, the Republican establishment, and foreign allies and enemies are all sitting back and going "WTF??" Well, either he is crazy and we should all be building are bomb shelters and stocking up on food, water, and tradable goods we will need to survive the zombie apocalypse OR he is crazy like a fox and traditional norms of politics and diplomacy are being reset in order to halt creeping group think globalism and the extension of federal regulatory tendrils into all walks of life.

I honestly don't know which it is but, I am convinced that, just b/c it is not "business as usual" as we all sing kumbayah, it is not necessarily a bad thing.
[As a comparison, for long time Baltimore and Maryland residents, Trump is beginning to remind me of Willy Don Schaefer. In all his public appearances, WDS was buffoonish. Epically so. Newspaper reporters (the local media generally loved Willie Don - until the tired of him after about 20 years), when reporting on his speeches would edit great chunks of gibberish out of them. Rumors were constantly swirling about crap going down at the Statehouse, BUT, at the end of the day, a lot of sh** got done and done right. WDS appointed folks in key positions, let them establish their fiefdoms and then played umpire between them - it worked great for about 15 years.]

And I think this is where the problem lies...

And when it comes to CNN, Im done. Im gonna try to call Comcast this weekend and ask them to just take the channel off or black them out. They are so full of shit and devoid of fact, I seriously place them along the lines of the gameshow network.

I know what to expect from Fox and MSNBC..Im good with that, perfectly fine. But CNN was always better than that...not anymore, they are like if Huffington Post and a Communist had a devil child.

[JoeRedskin]

As possibilities for the open minded, here are a couple of articles from established, well respected journals and journalists with a different take on the seeming chaos and/or buffoonery:

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/artic...-michael-flynn

Eli Lake is a columnist for the Bloomberg View. He was the senior national security correspondent for the Daily Beast and covered national security and intelligence for the Washington Times, the New York Sun and UPI. In 2012, Lake disclosed how the UN documented U.S. violations of an arms embargo in Somalia. And his reporting has “earned praise from both conservatives and liberals.” In 2013, Lake disclosed how court documents in the U.S. government challenge to Blackwater showed that the mercenary organization was an extension of the CIA after 9-11. [From his Wikipedia bio]
Couple of excerpts from his article on Flynn:

"The New York Times and Washington Post reported that the transcript of the phone call reviewed over the weekend by the White House could be read different ways. One White House official with knowledge of the conversations told me that the Russian ambassador raised the sanctions to Flynn and that Flynn responded that the Trump team would be taking office in a few weeks and would review Russia policy and sanctions. That's neither illegal nor improper."

… "Normally intercepts of U.S. officials and citizens are some of the most tightly held government secrets. This is for good reason. Selectively disclosing details of private conversations monitored by the FBI or NSA gives the permanent state the power to destroy reputations from the cloak of anonymity. This is what police states do.

In the past it was considered scandalous for senior U.S. officials to even request the identities of U.S. officials incidentally monitored by the government (normally they are redacted from intelligence reports). ... The fact that the intercepts of Flynn's conversations with Kislyak appear to have been widely distributed inside the government is a red flag."


Then there’s this from Ivan Krastev and Steven Holmes: The Kremlin Is Starting to Worry About Trump | Foreign Policy

Krastev is the chairman of the Centre for Liberal Strategies in Sofia, a permanent fellow at the Institute for Human Sciences in Vienna, a founding board member of the European Council on Foreign Relations, and a member of the Advisory Council of the Center for European Policy Analysis (CEPA). Holmes is a Professor of Law at NYU (w/ a long history in Political Science). From the article:

“The search for a key to Trump’s mind-boggling and miscellaneous gusher of policy directives has tended to focus on his disturbingly erratic, vindictive, simplistic, narcissistic, insecure, and occasionally delusional personality, due exception being made for those conspiracy theorists who treat him as a kind of Manchurian candidate or sock puppet of the Kremlin. What most observers have been late to recognize is the extent to which, behind his mask as a showman, Trump views himself as a revolutionary insurgent with a mission to dismantle America’s “old regime.”

… “What we are witnessing now,” [Steve] Bannon told the Washington Post, “is the birth of a new political order, and the more frantic a handful of media elites become, the more powerful that new political order becomes itself.”

… What the Kremlin fears most today is that Trump may be ousted or even killed. His ouster, Kremlin insiders argue, is bound to unleash a virulent and bipartisan anti-Russian campaign in Washington. Oddly, therefore, Putin has become a hostage to Trump’s survival and success. This has seriously restricted Russia’s geopolitical options. The Kremlin is perfectly aware that Democrats want to use Russia to discredit and possibly impeach Trump while Republican elites want to use Russia to deflate and discipline Trump. The Russian government fears not only Trump’s downfall, of course, but also the possibility that he could opportunistically switch to a tough anti-Moscow line in order to make peace with hawkish Republican leaders in Congress.

Anyone who spends any time in Moscow will quickly discover that ordinary Russians, in contrast with a majority of Europeans, feel surprisingly positive about Trump. One reason is that they are exhausted at Russia’s confrontation with the West. Another is that they share Trump’s cynical, borderline apocalyptic view of international politics. Like Trump, they never believed in win-win politics in the first place.

[Alvin Walton]

Yep, CNN is tabloid hype.
They foam at the mouth about anything Trump does.
I did a comparison the other day vs them and CBS. (not that CBS is special for any reason)
Of the top seven headlines, CBS had one about Trump.
All seven of CNNs were about Trump.
And some of them had OPINION next to the title.
Why the feck would I care about some CNN hacks opinion?
Who reads this tripe?

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Yep, CNN is tabloid hype.
They foam at the mouth about anything Trump does.
I did a comparison the other day vs them and CBS. (not that CBS is special for any reason)
Of the top seven headlines, CBS had one about Trump.
All seven of CNNs were about Trump.
And some of them had OPINION next to the title.
Why the feck would I care about some CNN hacks opinion?
Who reads this tripe?

A ton of people. As Chico said, CNN used to be better than that. I used to view them as a left of center but generally fact based news outlet. That changed election night where at least one CNN anchor was crying as it became clear that Trump was going to win and another was plaintively moaning "What will we tell our children?" Ever since then, they have been so blatantly at war with Trump that they undermined their once solid credibility.

[MTK]

People are really falling for this CNN is fake news BS eh? I'm already beyond tired of hearing him blaming the media for everything. Hilarious that's he's all up in arms over leaks now but when they played to his advantage during the election he was all for it. Sad!

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by MTK

People are really falling for this CNN is fake news BS eh? I'm already beyond tired of hearing him blaming the media for everything. Hilarious that's he's all up in arms over leaks now but when they played to his advantage during the election he was all for it. Sad!

Agree,I'm hoping none of these news media outlets don't back down.The're only reporting what it is he is doing,it's Trump that is the shit show not the media and that press conference yesterday should be proof of just how bad it is.The Man had no idea who the CBC was.....not a clue!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeZCmOZXBOs


There is a Russian spy ship 30 miles off the Connecticut coast and his only response ...bad,bad stuff,.....what the hell?

[MTK]

His presser today was as bizarre as they come. A fine tuned machine? You wanna talk about fake news? This guy can't open his mouth without straight up lying. Even Fox news was ripping him today.

Now this breaking news:

Trump's pick to replace Flynn turns down offer: reports | TheHill

[CRedskinsRule]

If Trump had Reagan's ability to speak he would be far more effective. A lot of people agree with his points on the media - obviously I'm one. But I tried to read the transcript of the press conference and I nearly had to gouge my eyes out.

Kudos to NBCNews for this article:
Ignore That Spy Ship Off the Coast. The Russians Aren't Coming - NBC News

Spy ships off our coast is nothing new -

A third intelligence official said that the presence of a Russian AGI off the coast has been a constant for decades but that current frequency is nowhere near Cold War levels. The Leonov last made an appearance near the U.S. in 2015.

The Leonov also transited entirely in international waters. "So it's perfectly legal," said the official.

and, not shockingly we do the same thing

The Pentagon reported that the destroyer USS Porter was "buzzed" last week in the Black Sea by Russian planes, which flew within several hundred yards of the ship.

But U.S. officials say there's more to the story. The Porter, configured as a lead ship in the European missile defense network and with various espionage capabilities, lingered within 40 miles of the Russian coast before the incident.

Officials noted that the Porter, like the Leonov, qualifies as a spy ship -- but with far greater capabilities.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

If Trump had Reagan's ability to speak he would be far more effective. A lot of people agree with his points on the media - obviously I'm one. But I tried to read the transcript of the press conference and I nearly had to gouge my eyes out.

Kudos to NBCNews for this article:
Ignore That Spy Ship Off the Coast. The Russians Aren't Coming - NBC News

Spy ships off our coast is nothing new -

and, not shockingly we do the same thing

CRed I get what you are saying and actually agree with you on the spy ship ,my point was his response.The Press is not the bad guy here hate to tell you ,it's Trump.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Giantone

CRed I get what you are saying and actually agree with you on the spy ship ,my point was his response.The Press is not the bad guy here hate to tell you ,it's Trump.

The nuts and bolts of our disagreement. I can (and have) shown examples of mainstream press putting out knowingly false information to (viciously imo) attack Trump because they hate his agenda and positions.

When Trump puts out knowingly false information, it's usually to inflate his ego, and you discount it, because you know he's going to throw out stuff like "largest electoral margin". It's one of those "if thats what you need to tell yourself" things.

Both groups lie, both groups do it with certain motives. I consider the press' motives far more unscrupolous ESPECIALLY when like the CNN reporter did, they wrap themselves in the 1st Amendment. Yes there is an absolute freedom of the press, but "the press" isn't the same as CNN.

Can we at least agree that a president not calling on a CNN reporter at one, or multiple, news conferences, by no means should be considered attacking the 1st amendment?

[MTK]

Remember folks, the leaks are real, the news is fake.

Anyone else disturbed by how much TV this guy watches?

[Chico23231]

Its clearly fact that CNN has a strong liberal bias in all forms of media. It clearly editorializes stories that present left leaning opinions within them to sway public opinion and spread false narratives throughout the country....Likewise they suppress other stories, ideas, that don't support liberal narratives. They embellish story, asses blame without fact, and generally make assumptions.

I mean, we really aren't this stupid where we don't see this stuff...are we? Like I stated before Fox and MSNBC are clearly bias and that's great. Go to your bubble. But CNN for a long time simply didn't do this...over the last 10 years I've clearly noticed it. Anderson Cooper, Don Lemon, that Brooke cunt, Cuomo, Tapper...They are all clearly liberals who praised the ex president and made it they are at war with the current one.

stuff on the internet which clearly states the case.


CNN has often been the subject of allegations of liberal bias. In research conducted by the Shorenstein Center on Media, Politics and Public Policy at Harvard University and the Project for Excellence in Journalism, the authors found disparate treatment by the three major cable networks of Republican and Democratic candidates during the earliest five months of presidential primaries in 2007: "The CNN programming studied tended to cast a negative light on Republican candidates – by a margin of three-to-one. Four-in-ten stories (41%) were clearly negative while just 14% were positive and 46% were neutral. The network provided negative coverage of all three main candidates with McCain faring the worst (63% negative) and Romney faring a little better than the others only because a majority of his coverage was neutral. With the exception of Obama, Democrats tended not to fare well either. Nearly half of the Illinois Senator’s stories were positive (46%), vs. just 8% that were negative, but both Clinton and Edwards ended up with more negative than positive coverage overall. While Democrats on average tended to have more positive coverage, the trend was skewed by particularly positive coverage of Obama."[1]

Writer Eric Alterman has noted that many left-leaning critics view CNN as more biased than most other corporate-run journalism, supporting business interests of its parent company and sponsors, and refusing to question official sources or present perspectives of leftist critics.

Accuracy in Media and Media Research Center (MRC) have claimed that CNN's reporting contains liberal editorializing within news stories as well as omission of important facts.


Internal whistleblowing on CNN's coverage of the Bahrain protests:

On September 5, 2012 with the help of journalist Glenn Greenwald, Lyon exposed that CNN International never aired her documentary, iRevolution, on the Bahrain uprising. In an article by Greenwald in The Guardian newspaper, Lyon accuses the network of censoring the documentary because the Bahrain regime is a paying customer at the network. The article also exposes that the government of Bahrain, as well as other governments throughout the world, are paying CNN for special content casting their countries in a positive light.

On September 29, 2012, Lyon appeared on the Infowars program. She described her investigation of how the US ally Bahrain was committing human rights abuses, but said that CNN and the US government pressured her to suppress the news. She said that Bahrain paid CNN for positive news coverage.Lyon said that Kazakhstan and Georgia also paid for positive coverage by CNN.

In March 2013, a report from the state-run Syrian Arab News Agency said the "Slovak main news website" reported Lyon claiming to have received orders from CNN to report selectively and falsely in order to sway public opinion in favor of direct American aggression against Iran and Syria, and that this was common practice at CNN.