Redskins vs. Jaguars Thread

[RedskinPete]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Our two rookie picks on the second round IMO were a waste if we wanted to improve our offense this year. We should have used one of our 2nd round picks to trade for a veteran wideout or aggressively gone after one in free agency. I know we wanted to not be agressive, but I don't think Thomas and Kelly were the answer. They could develop in two years, but unless we're in a rebuilding mode, they are not going to help.

I think people need to drop the safety issue, we have bigger problems at the LBs and CBs position. Not to mention the O-line on offense. If we're going to pick up someone off the waivers, it has to be a LB. We need depth in that area.

Finally, I agreed with the ppl that are saying that we're going to have a losing season, I hope I'm wrong, but I'm seeing the same anemic offense that we've had over the past three/four years. I think our bend but don't break defense will break this year if we have the same crappy offense that cannot pass the ball vertically, cannot avoid three and outs, and cannot put teams away. If JC doesn't get any better, then this team needs to go into rebuilding mode.

I Think you are right about a old O line,WR's that are not much help and a QB that is starting to show he isn't going to be here in 2009. Could be a long season!

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Our two rookie picks on the second round IMO were a waste if we wanted to improve our offense this year. We should have used one of our 2nd round picks to trade for a veteran wideout or aggressively gone after one in free agency. I know we wanted to not be agressive, but I don't think Thomas and Kelly were the answer. They could develop in two years, but unless we're in a rebuilding mode, they are not going to help.

I just want to point out that Chad Johnson, sorry Chad Ocho Cinco, is playing with a torn labrum so who knows how he will be. Javon Walker was stinking it up in preseason and was way, way down the depth chart and only caught a break because Drew Carter is out for the year. Ditto Bryant Johnson who, as recently as last week was actually 5th on the depth chart as he's battled injuries. DJ Hackett, as usual, has been hurt all preseason and is wasting a chance to start with Steve Smith out a couple of games.

So it's not all cotton candy and lollipops out in veteran WR land either. Just sayin.

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I just want to point out that Chad Johnson, sorry Chad Ocho Cinco, is playing with a torn labrum so who knows how he will be. Javon Walker was stinking it up in preseason and was way, way down the depth chart and only caught a break because Drew Carter is out for the year. Ditto Bryant Johnson who, as recently as last week was actually 5th on the depth chart as he's battled injuries. DJ Hackett, as usual, has been hurt all preseason and is wasting a chance to start with Steve Smith out a couple of games.

So it's not all cotton candy and lollipops out in veteran WR land either. Just sayin.

I was all aboard on the pickup Bryant Johnson bandwagon too...

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I just want to point out that Chad Johnson, sorry Chad Ocho Cinco, is playing with a torn labrum so who knows how he will be. Javon Walker was stinking it up in preseason and was way, way down the depth chart and only caught a break because Drew Carter is out for the year. Ditto Bryant Johnson who, as recently as last week was actually 5th on the depth chart as he's battled injuries. DJ Hackett, as usual, has been hurt all preseason and is wasting a chance to start with Steve Smith out a couple of games.

So it's not all cotton candy and lollipops out in veteran WR land either. Just sayin.

Great point SS.. For all of the LaCanforas of the world who love to point out problems without any barometer of the factual options, we are at exactly the same place we would have been if we'd have splurged in free agency, EXCEPT we have 2 young players with moderate contracts vs. older players with more expensive contracts.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I just want to point out that Chad Johnson, sorry Chad Ocho Cinco, is playing with a torn labrum so who knows how he will be. Javon Walker was stinking it up in preseason and was way, way down the depth chart and only caught a break because Drew Carter is out for the year. Ditto Bryant Johnson who, as recently as last week was actually 5th on the depth chart as he's battled injuries. DJ Hackett, as usual, has been hurt all preseason and is wasting a chance to start with Steve Smith out a couple of games.

So it's not all cotton candy and lollipops out in veteran WR land either. Just sayin.

True, but our rookies WRs have been hurt AND they can't contribute to the offense, nor will they be able to contribute once they return from their injury (well I'm talking about Kelly). I just made that comment b/c I don't know why any of us (including me) thought that our issues at WR were addressed when we got Kelly and Thomas.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

True, but our rookies WRs have been hurt AND they can't contribute to the offense, nor will they be able to contribute once they return from their injury (well I'm talking about Kelly). I just made that comment b/c I don't know why any of us (including me) thought that our issues at WR were addressed when we got Kelly and Thomas.

Understood. I just wanted to make the point that it doesn't mean our problems would have been solved with a veteran, and they would have cost more-both in dollars and possibly draft picks.

[GusFrerotte]

Our record depends on the play of JC and the defense. IF JC doesn't get it done say by games 10-11, I almost think we should give Brennan a go at it. Jc's inconsistency is daunting to say the least, not to mention he might not be able to survive an entire season.

[RedskinPete]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Our record depends on the play of JC and the defense. IF JC doesn't get it done say by games 10-11, I almost think we should give Brennan a go at it. Jc's inconsistency is daunting to say the least, not to mention he might not be able to survive an entire season.

JC is looking like a back up more and more...not a NFL starting QB. I have to say we are in real trouble. His bad play is going to kill us! The line is showing it's age as well and no one can pull down a pass even when JC gets it to them. Our WR's are a joke so I can't put it all on JC. So much money and draft picks on WR's with little to show for it. Throw in a 1st round QB[JC] that is failing badly makes for bad days ahead. Our only hope is if we can still run the ball and the D can wake up. The Giants must be love us coming to town!

[irish]

Originally Posted by RedskinPete

JC is looking like a back up more and more...not a NFL starting QB. I have to say we are in real trouble. His bad play is going to kill us! The line is showing it's age as well and no one can pull down a pass even when JC gets it to them. Our WR's are a joke so I can't put it all on JC. So much money and draft picks on WR's with little to show for it. Throw in a 1st round QB[JC] that is failing badly makes for bad days ahead. Our only hope is if we can still run the ball and the D can wake up. The Giants must be love us coming to town!

I think we are now really seeing the results of years of patching problems rather than trying to build depth through the draft. The O line is old and slow and there is not really any younger depth. The D line is too small and light. The D backs are too short, the WRs just dont have it and JC, well I think I'm being proven more correct each week.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by irish

I think we are now really seeing the results of years of patching problems rather than trying to build depth through the draft. The O line is old and slow and there is not really any younger depth. The D line is too small and light. The D backs are too short, the WRs just dont have it and JC, well I think I'm being proven more correct each week.

Wow! between you and Pete, that's a lot of darkness at the beginning of the tunnel

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by irish

I think we are now really seeing the results of years of patching problems rather than trying to build depth through the draft. The O line is old and slow and there is not really any younger depth. The D line is too small and light. The D backs are too short, the WRs just dont have it and JC, well I think I'm being proven more correct each week.

This post makes little sense. Suppose we patched problems through free agency as opposed to building through the draft. What do Dline's size, the dback's height, the WR's "it" factor, and JC's abilities have to do with building through the draft?

[irish]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

This post makes little sense. Suppose we patched problems through free agency as opposed to building through the draft. What do Dline's size, the dback's height, the WR's "it" factor, and JC's abilities have to do with building through the draft?

It means that they keep getting anyone they can get no matter how he might or might not fit the plan. If they had a long term plan and drafted according to the plan they would have players that would fit what they are trying to do. IMO the Skins keep taking other team's cast-offs (not always bad cast-offs but usually on the decline of their career) and trying to force them to fit instead of drafting and developing their own talent.

[That Guy]

at least mason and colt played well... mcmullen looks like a keeper too, at least against scrubs. fincher got his name called about 400 times.

it was sad seeing mason (who got good yardage) get stuffed every time we had 1 yard to go. either he sucks at short yardage or that line wasn't getting it done.

tryon SUCKED... he got burnt on about 200 3rd downs, for 20+ yard gains, for TDs, i mean, he needs to go. there's no flashes, no skill, nothing. a bust and an embarrassment. no one's close to taking cartwright's job either... you wouldn't think returns were all that hard or that the concept of north/south running was difficult, but man...

safety play was better today, but i didn't get why when we had JAX at 3rd and 20+, we'd give everyone a 15 yard cushion... i understand not wanting to get beat deep, but that's a lot of field position that added up on those underneath throws, and we got burnt some anyways.

the prevent is the worst thing i've ever seen...

[killromo]

Originally Posted by That Guy

at least mason and colt played well... mcmullen looks like a keeper too, at least against scrubs. fincher got his name called about 400 times.


tryon SUCKED... he got burnt on about 200 3rd downs, for 20+ yard gains, for TDs, i mean, he needs to go. there's no flashes, no skill, nothing. a bust and an embarrassment.

safety play was better today, but i didn't get why when we had JAX at 3rd and 20+, we'd give everyone a 15 yard cushion... i understand not wanting to get beat deep, but that's a lot of field position that added up on those underneath throws, and we got burnt some anyways.

the prevent is the worst thing i've ever seen...

I second your thoughts on Tryon. I really think I could play as well as him; sucks we wasted a good pick on him too.

[dmvskinzfan08]

I will say this. I am JC supporter. But after seeing how quickly Brennan releases the ball and his rhythm in the offense I must say that if JC doesnt get it done this year. I look forward to Brennan next year competing for the starting job. I never thought I would say that.

But to the contrary. The year is not over and it hasn't even started as far as the regular season goes. So the jury is still out. But I am hoping Jason will step up. This is only preseaon. But it looked like the second string D-Line had more push last night than our starting D-Line with the exception of JT and AC.

I must say this. Tryon needs to be cut. He doesn't even deserve to be on the practice squad. Seriously.

Horton and Moore will solidify our safety needs as the year goes on. But the cornerbacks need to step their game up. I am tired of seeing opponents have 3rd and long and sometimes over 15 yards to make a frist down and it seems so easy. I am so pissed with this cushion that the CBs play. Haven't they seen this doesn't work the past 3-4 years or are our cornerbacks that bad that they need that cushion. Or is is a caution point because the D-Line rarely gets to the passer.

Also. I am so disappointed with Devin. He has shown me nothing and its early but he seems like a bust. I think the Defense will step up. But our corner backs need to step their game up.

Lastly. We need to run the ball more on first down to take some pressure of JC. Joe Bugel needs to pull Zorn to the side and let him know this is the NFC East. You have to mix in some smash mouth with the fancy workings of these pass first offenses. I hope he was just experimenting with play calling. If not its going to be a long year if he thinks he can thrown on first down in the NFC East 90% of the time. Saying this. I have a feeling Portis is going to help us save face and I hope this O-Line steps their game up also. But we need to run to open up the pass not the other way around.

I think this NY game is the first game but might be the most important game of the year for our confidence and seeing our schedule is rough.