Randy Moss Waived (claimed by Titans)

Player_HTTR · 11-03-2010, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

If anyone can explain post #368...

I think he is saying he doesn't know a good team when he sees one. Just guessing though.

Hog1 · 11-03-2010, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

If anyone can explain post #368...

And for those who keep clamoring that we would get a 3rd round pick for him, re-read this

http://www.thewarpath.net/756082-post358.html

I think Shannihan cut Ace out of his will......

SmootSmack · 11-03-2010, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog1

I think Shannihan cut Ace out of his will......

Ha! Probably. Funny how just a few weeks ago we were guaranteed to go 14-2, and now we need to get rid of Shanahan asap. Yet we didn't have Randy Moss when the 14-2 predictions were flying our way

Ruhskins · 11-04-2010, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Ha! Probably. Funny how just a few weeks ago we were guaranteed to go 14-2, and now we need to get rid of Shanahan asap. Yet we didn't have Randy Moss when the 14-2 predictions were flying our way

He probably thought we would get Vincent Jackson. LOL.

SirClintonPortis · 11-04-2010, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Ha! Probably. Funny how just a few weeks ago we were guaranteed to go 14-2, and now we need to get rid of Shanahan asap. Yet we didn't have Randy Moss when the 14-2 predictions were flying our way

But he knows football. He's a perfect analyst...

....for BleacherReport.

:FIREdevil

SmootSmack · 11-03-2010, 10:35 PM

RobH, your Galloway isn't in our long term plans either point is a great one. I'm sorry it's buried in a sea of idiocy

celts32 · 11-03-2010, 11:06 PM

Can't believe so many people wanted to claim this guy. Shanny and Allen are trying to change the culture at Redskins park. They are trying to weed out guys like Moss not bring in more of them.

JoeRedskin · 11-03-2010, 11:24 PM

Dear lord! Isn't this the same "We need a team run by Football People" crowd bitching about Vinny & Dan constantly chasing stars.

Hey aceinthehouse & crew, how many Superbowls have you won? Why don't we give the guy who has won a couple more than 8 games before we decide he's a complete idiot.

Hog1 · 11-03-2010, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Dear lord! Isn't this the same "We need a team run by Football People" crowd bitching about Vinny & Dan constantly chasing stars.

Hey aceinthehouse & crew, how many Superbowls have you won? Why don't we give the guy who has won a couple more than 8 games before we decide he's a complete idiot.

It's just more........efficient to do it now! Facts won't change anything

aceinthehouse · 11-04-2010, 02:06 AM

ace is pissed so lets bring out the "aceinthehouse predicts Skins to go 14-2 crowd,so lets dump on him"...

If it makes you guys feel better..ok

I had already weighed the risks and rewards of picking up Moss.
The risks were minimal imo..and the rewards were huge and this is why I'm so upset.

I would not have been upset had dallas,Rams or the Bills or someone in front of us on the claims list,had got him and we didn't. We had no control over that...I understand that.

I also understand we had to pick up the 3.3+ million or whtever it is for 8 games as well.
I even also understand that Moss's contract with new england..then minny..then whoever claimed him...had a "NO franchise TAG" in his contract.

So we would had to let him go or give him a new contract outright...something we probably would not want to do. OK...

Of course,that's assuming there's any football at all next season from the labor Lockout...OK

So lets look at the RISKS and REWARDS for claiming Randy Moss...OK?

Risks:
#1)There's the chance that Moss spouts off to the media again or causes a problem inside the locker room and forces us to release him thus...leaving us on the hook for the 3.3 million salary for the rest of this uncapped season. OK..?
#2)There's the chance that Moss plays half ass or doesn't give his 100% on field, thus alienating guys on the team who are working their butt off. OK?
#3)We will have to release a player from the team to claim Randy Moss. Probably a WR like Roydell Williams or the 38 year old old Joey Galloway to stay with the 53 man roster. OK?
#4)He will have a little less than 2 weeks to learn a West Coast Kyle Shanahan playbook,that requires not only effort,but good precision routes. Something Moss is capable of,but not always inclined to do,unless he knows he's getting the ball. OK?

These are probably the biggest 4 things,that I believe were on most people's minds of being a risk in having Randy Moss on this football team.

Rewards:
#1)Moss is a sure HOFer...a proven commodity...a 1st ballot. Some believe the 2nd greatest WR behind jerry rice and he has the NFL records to back up those claims. He's had an amazing career.. He's a proven commodity and not some "flash in the pan" type of player. OK?
#2)Moss is widely considered by the NFL as a pretty good run blocker. Probably mostly do to his 6'4" 210 lb frame and less about his effort. OK? But this is one of those things that "I" know..that some may not or don't recognize off hand.
#3)Despite his favorite "9 route" or fade or streak he likes to run,he also is good over the middle as well. He runs the slant very well and provides a big frame for the QB to hit.
#4)Probably the best "over the top" wr ever in the game. He made Revis island his Bxxxx early in the year with that 1-handed grab,but this is something he's done his whole career. The only player I EVER saw stop him 1-on-1 in a true battle for the ball over the top,was our very own and late..Sean Taylor. Simply put..you can't cover him 1-on-1 on the long ball,if the ball is reasonably on the mark. You just can't.
#5)Moss is so scary...that he actually makes the other players look good. Did you see how Percy Harvin exploded when Moss came aboard? You have to roll your coverage over to his side...he opens up the middle of the field for the TE and he allows more running lanes because there's more focus on his deep ball and he requires a D-coord. to respect that. Yes,even at 33 years old.
Just the addition of Moss alone,would have taken pressure off of Santana Moss,Armstrong,Cooley and anyone else running patterns to get open or for 1-on-1 coverage against a LB or to our advantage. Because Moss alone,forces the Defense hands in covering him. He also takes that 6th,7th or 8th man out of the box in stopping the run,into coverage and for successful running plays.
#6)Moss is a TD scoring machine. He can turn the game around on 1 throw and can do it at any time,when he's on the field. He also has very good hands and rarely drops the ball. His concentration on catching it..(when the effort is there) is remarkable.
#7)Having Moss in our final 8 games,could have really allowed our offense to stretch the field. It would have opened things up for Mcnabb as well as our running game. Yea,our o-line can't block,but maybe we could have ran quick screens or slants to Moss with his big frame. All of our players are fairly little guys...He would have allowed us to create mismatches on the field in his talent alone. We made not have been an explosive juggernaut with Moss,but we definately could have used his talent alone in creating mismatches and to take a little pressure off of mcnabb in having a big target as well as little moss and other players.
#8)Even though we would most likely had him for only 8 games and he would be gone,there's always the possibility of him building a friendship here in that time and wanting to stay for another year. This would also have allowed us to focus on other areas of need in next years draft. Specially considering we no longer have a 3rd or 4th rounder to use. There's also the chance that had we let him go somewhere else,where he got a different contract,that we would have got some compensation for his loss. As high as a 3rd rounder and as low as a 7th rounder..depending on his new contract and circumstances. So that part is awesome.
#9)..And last..he would have helped in making a playoff push in these final 8 tough games. But not just that...He would be a nice addition in the playoffs as well with his experience and big play ability. The last time Mcnabb had a HOF type of WR..they were in the SB,so I guess anything is possible. Yet,Mcnabb and Moss don't have that Mcnabb and TO history either...It would be fresh..

So you guys can make fun of me.."aceinthehouse" and the guy who predicted a 14-2 season,if it makes you feel cool or better...

But I'm saying this was a mistake and we should have claimed this guy for the reward imo outweighing the risk.

So not only are we still asking ourselves questions on the direction of this team from the Shanny/Mcnabb fiasco last Sunday and the Locker room..(go figure..lol)

But now we have to face an already tough Titans team in 3 weeks who are very good and have beat the other 3 NFC east teams already. Now we face them with Randy Moss. And we haven't been that great in stopping these kind of Players...in case you haven't noticed?

So call me an idiot or a fool or whatever....but i'll take my 21 years of football experience and 7 years of coaching experience over any of the Warpath wanna be warlords on here who know better on any subject and call me out to be some fool because I thought we would go 14-2 with the new roster and coaching staff we had,before the season was even underway from hope of many bad seasons.

I'm telling you..I know my football..and this was a bad decision.
I hope it doesn't come back to bite us in the ass.
We may very well,need that titans game for a 9th win to make the Playoffs and 1 non decision could in reality affect the course of time when Moss lights our ass up for 200 yards receiving and 3 TD's. (when he should be on our team)

We had the claim ahead of them @ #15...
This was a stupid low risk-high reward NON-move by Shanny
and he failed..

Lets HOPE he's the coach ,we all HOPE he is!! Or was...

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 11-04-2010, 05:10 AM

Ace are you onky going to refer to yourself in the 3rd person now??

SirClintonPortis · 11-04-2010, 02:08 AM

SmootSmack has repeatedly referenced his own post telling all of us that Moss would not fetch us anything more than a 5th round compensatory pick.

SmootSmack · 11-04-2010, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

SmootSmack has repeatedly referenced his own post telling all of us that Moss would not fetch us anything more than a 5th round compensatory pick.

Here's another link on that

Ask PFW: Moss trade fallout

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 11-04-2010, 03:13 AM

Ace you're going off the deep end

Giantone · 11-04-2010, 04:15 AM

Ace you have also seem to have forgoten that ...Randy Moss....takes playes off and only plays when he wants , wasn't it against the Skins some years ago ...he just walked off the field becuase the game was "over"???

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11-04-2010, 02:06 AM	#10
aceinthehouse Special Teams Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Springfield,Missouri Posts: 463	Re: Randy Moss Waived (claimed by Titans) ace is pissed so lets bring out the "aceinthehouse predicts Skins to go 14-2 crowd,so lets dump on him"... If it makes you guys feel better..ok I had already weighed the risks and rewards of picking up Moss. The risks were minimal imo..and the rewards were huge and this is why I'm so upset. I would not have been upset had dallas,Rams or the Bills or someone in front of us on the claims list,had got him and we didn't. We had no control over that...I understand that. I also understand we had to pick up the 3.3+ million or whtever it is for 8 games as well. I even also understand that Moss's contract with new england..then minny..then whoever claimed him...had a "NO franchise TAG" in his contract. So we would had to let him go or give him a new contract outright...something we probably would not want to do. OK... Of course,that's assuming there's any football at all next season from the labor Lockout...OK So lets look at the RISKS and REWARDS for claiming Randy Moss...OK? Risks: #1)There's the chance that Moss spouts off to the media again or causes a problem inside the locker room and forces us to release him thus...leaving us on the hook for the 3.3 million salary for the rest of this uncapped season. OK..? #2)There's the chance that Moss plays half ass or doesn't give his 100% on field, thus alienating guys on the team who are working their butt off. OK? #3)We will have to release a player from the team to claim Randy Moss. Probably a WR like Roydell Williams or the 38 year old old Joey Galloway to stay with the 53 man roster. OK? #4)He will have a little less than 2 weeks to learn a West Coast Kyle Shanahan playbook,that requires not only effort,but good precision routes. Something Moss is capable of,but not always inclined to do,unless he knows he's getting the ball. OK? These are probably the biggest 4 things,that I believe were on most people's minds of being a risk in having Randy Moss on this football team. Rewards: #1)Moss is a sure HOFer...a proven commodity...a 1st ballot. Some believe the 2nd greatest WR behind jerry rice and he has the NFL records to back up those claims. He's had an amazing career.. He's a proven commodity and not some "flash in the pan" type of player. OK? #2)Moss is widely considered by the NFL as a pretty good run blocker. Probably mostly do to his 6'4" 210 lb frame and less about his effort. OK? But this is one of those things that "I" know..that some may not or don't recognize off hand. #3)Despite his favorite "9 route" or fade or streak he likes to run,he also is good over the middle as well. He runs the slant very well and provides a big frame for the QB to hit. #4)Probably the best "over the top" wr ever in the game. He made Revis island his Bxxxx early in the year with that 1-handed grab,but this is something he's done his whole career. The only player I EVER saw stop him 1-on-1 in a true battle for the ball over the top,was our very own and late..Sean Taylor. Simply put..you can't cover him 1-on-1 on the long ball,if the ball is reasonably on the mark. You just can't. #5)Moss is so scary...that he actually makes the other players look good. Did you see how Percy Harvin exploded when Moss came aboard? You have to roll your coverage over to his side...he opens up the middle of the field for the TE and he allows more running lanes because there's more focus on his deep ball and he requires a D-coord. to respect that. Yes,even at 33 years old. Just the addition of Moss alone,would have taken pressure off of Santana Moss,Armstrong,Cooley and anyone else running patterns to get open or for 1-on-1 coverage against a LB or to our advantage. Because Moss alone,forces the Defense hands in covering him. He also takes that 6th,7th or 8th man out of the box in stopping the run,into coverage and for successful running plays. #6)Moss is a TD scoring machine. He can turn the game around on 1 throw and can do it at any time,when he's on the field. He also has very good hands and rarely drops the ball. His concentration on catching it..(when the effort is there) is remarkable. #7)Having Moss in our final 8 games,could have really allowed our offense to stretch the field. It would have opened things up for Mcnabb as well as our running game. Yea,our o-line can't block,but maybe we could have ran quick screens or slants to Moss with his big frame. All of our players are fairly little guys...He would have allowed us to create mismatches on the field in his talent alone. We made not have been an explosive juggernaut with Moss,but we definately could have used his talent alone in creating mismatches and to take a little pressure off of mcnabb in having a big target as well as little moss and other players. #8)Even though we would most likely had him for only 8 games and he would be gone,there's always the possibility of him building a friendship here in that time and wanting to stay for another year. This would also have allowed us to focus on other areas of need in next years draft. Specially considering we no longer have a 3rd or 4th rounder to use. There's also the chance that had we let him go somewhere else,where he got a different contract,that we would have got some compensation for his loss. As high as a 3rd rounder and as low as a 7th rounder..depending on his new contract and circumstances. So that part is awesome. #9)..And last..he would have helped in making a playoff push in these final 8 tough games. But not just that...He would be a nice addition in the playoffs as well with his experience and big play ability. The last time Mcnabb had a HOF type of WR..they were in the SB,so I guess anything is possible. Yet,Mcnabb and Moss don't have that Mcnabb and TO history either...It would be fresh.. So you guys can make fun of me.."aceinthehouse" and the guy who predicted a 14-2 season,if it makes you feel cool or better... But I'm saying this was a mistake and we should have claimed this guy for the reward imo outweighing the risk. So not only are we still asking ourselves questions on the direction of this team from the Shanny/Mcnabb fiasco last Sunday and the Locker room..(go figure..lol) But now we have to face an already tough Titans team in 3 weeks who are very good and have beat the other 3 NFC east teams already. Now we face them with Randy Moss. And we haven't been that great in stopping these kind of Players...in case you haven't noticed? So call me an idiot or a fool or whatever....but i'll take my 21 years of football experience and 7 years of coaching experience over any of the Warpath wanna be warlords on here who know better on any subject and call me out to be some fool because I thought we would go 14-2 with the new roster and coaching staff we had,before the season was even underway from hope of many bad seasons. I'm telling you..I know my football..and this was a bad decision. I hope it doesn't come back to bite us in the ass. We may very well,need that titans game for a 9th win to make the Playoffs and 1 non decision could in reality affect the course of time when Moss lights our ass up for 200 yards receiving and 3 TD's. (when he should be on our team) We had the claim ahead of them @ #15... This was a stupid low risk-high reward NON-move by Shanny and he failed.. Lets HOPE he's the coach ,we all HOPE he is!! Or was... __________________ The 1991 Redskins team,is the greatest team of all time. Their average margin of victory is the greatest of all Superbowl winning teams! HTTR!!

11-04-2010, 05:10 AM	#11
EARTHQUAKE2689 You did WHAT?!? Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: In The Kitchen With Dyna. Age: 37 Posts: 14,189	Re: Randy Moss Waived (claimed by Titans) Ace are you onky going to refer to yourself in the 3rd person now?? __________________ https://open.spotify.com/artist/1NG9zNxqMP8cYNP72QqUQT Shameless self-promotion. It is what it is.

11-04-2010, 02:08 AM	#12
SirClintonPortis Pro Bowl Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 6,052	Re: Randy Moss Waived (claimed by Titans) SmootSmack has repeatedly referenced his own post telling all of us that Moss would not fetch us anything more than a 5th round compensatory pick. __________________ Analysis using datasets (aka stats) is an attempt at reverse-engineering a player's "goodness". Virtuosity remembered, douchebaggery forgotten. The ideal character profile shoved down modern Western men and women's throats is Don Juan.

11-04-2010, 03:13 AM	#14
EARTHQUAKE2689 You did WHAT?!? Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: In The Kitchen With Dyna. Age: 37 Posts: 14,189	Re: Randy Moss Waived (claimed by Titans) Ace you're going off the deep end __________________ https://open.spotify.com/artist/1NG9zNxqMP8cYNP72QqUQT Shameless self-promotion. It is what it is.

11-03-2010, 10:35 PM	#6
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Randy Moss Waived (claimed by Titans) RobH, your Galloway isn't in our long term plans either point is a great one. I'm sorry it's buried in a sea of idiocy __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

11-03-2010, 11:06 PM	#7
celts32 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hackettstown NJ Age: 54 Posts: 2,665	Re: Randy Moss Waived (claimed by Titans) Can't believe so many people wanted to claim this guy. Shanny and Allen are trying to change the culture at Redskins park. They are trying to weed out guys like Moss not bring in more of them. __________________ Section 116 Row 19 “Goal line, goal line. I-left, tight wing, 70 chip on white.” www.facebook.com/HackettstownBeerClub

11-03-2010, 11:24 PM	#8
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 63 Posts: 10,401	Re: Randy Moss Waived (claimed by Titans) Dear lord! Isn't this the same "We need a team run by Football People" crowd bitching about Vinny & Dan constantly chasing stars. Hey aceinthehouse & crew, how many Superbowls have you won? Why don't we give the guy who has won a couple more than 8 games before we decide he's a complete idiot. __________________ Strap it up, hold onto the ball, and let’s go.

11-04-2010, 04:15 AM	#15
Giantone Gamebreaker Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 14,591	Re: Randy Moss Waived (claimed by Titans) Ace you have also seem to have forgoten that ...Randy Moss....takes playes off and only plays when he wants , wasn't it against the Skins some years ago ...he just walked off the field becuase the game was "over"???

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