2011 NFL Mock Draft thread.

[Landry44]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Changed some things around.

10 (R1) Jake Locker - QB - Washington - I believe the Redskins O-Line will be significantly improved this year so long as they're able to resign Brown and get Davin Joesph as a Free Agent. That would give Locker something he never had in 4 years at Washington, a solid Offensive Line that can give him time in the pocket. With his physical skillset, work ethic, and tutelage under Shanahan the skies the limit. His ability to throw outside the pocket may be second to none (70% passer outside the tackles).

You can't be serious? What is it about Jake Lockers mediocre play through his career that would merit him going 10th overall? Was in inaccurate passing, poor presences, poor leadership skills, poor completion percentage, or mediocre winning percentage?

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Landry44

You can't be serious? What is it about Jake Lockers mediocre play through his career that would merit him going 10th overall? Was in inaccurate passing, poor presences, poor leadership skills, poor completion percentage, or mediocre winning percentage?

It's not his mediocre play. It's his rare physical skill set. His ability to push the ball down field and extend plays. His experience running plays off play action. His accuracy outside the pocket (over 70% completion percentage outside the tackles). His mobility that will allow him to buy extra time.

Also I think you're reaching on the poor leadership skills. The average production and the accuracy problems are valid concerns but character wise the guy is about as good as it gets.

Per ESPN:

Outstanding competitor. Shows no fear. Will hang in the pocket and take the hit in order to deliver the ball on time. Teammates have tremendous respect for him as a leader. Proved numerous times in 2010 that he will play through injury.

Drafted twice by MLB teams and signed a six-year rights agreement in 2009 with Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, who are paying his scholarship costs. Hard worker. Teammates and coaches have nothing but praise for him as a person and player. Determined to succeed.

Most importantly above all, the guy who knows QB's (Shanahan) is reported to love him as a potential QB for this offense. Personally I think Lockers a bad fit for 90% of the league. However he has the intangibles and physical skill set to succeed and his combination of mobility and arm strength alone make him a great fit for a team that wants to run passes off of bootlegs and play action.

[Landry44]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

It's not his mediocre play. It's his rare physical skill set. His ability to push the ball down field and extend plays. His experience running plays off play action. His accuracy outside the pocket (over 70% completion percentage outside the tackles). His mobility that will allow him to buy extra time.

Also I think you're reaching on the poor leadership skills. The average production and the accuracy problems are valid concerns but character wise the guy is about as good as it gets.

Per ESPN:




Most importantly above all, the guy who knows QB's (Shanahan) is reported to love him as a potential QB for this offense. Personally I think Lockers a bad fit for 90% of the league. However he has the intangibles and physical skill set to succeed and his combination of mobility and arm strength alone make him a great fit for a team that wants to run passes off of bootlegs and play action.

If being able to run and passing the ball down field was all that was required of a qb Mike Vick would be the best qb in league and Jake Locker isn't have as talented as Vick. Jake Locker is poor leader because he doesn't make the players around him better. Jake Locker had a 55% completion percentage last year and that is not good at all. Jake Locker went up against mostly second and third tier teams and still didn't produce any big numbers or wins.

There is nothing rare about his skill set. Cam Newton and Colin Kaepernick both possess the same skill set that on differences those guys are true leaders and better players. MS can love this kid all he wants. Remember this was the same guy that traded a second rounder and our fourth rounder this year for DMAC who he know longer wants on the team. Plus that was last year when people kinda of like Locker. What has he came out and said about Locker lately?

[cdskins26]

Originally Posted by Landry44

You can't be serious? What is it about Jake Lockers mediocre play through his career that would merit him going 10th overall? Was in inaccurate passing, poor presences, poor leadership skills, poor completion percentage, or mediocre winning percentage?

he successfully managed a game against a significantly better nebraska team that had walked through them earlier in the season. he also has something that cannot be coached, toughness. he wants to win as much as anyone, and is definitely motivated to succeed.

My rankings for these quarterbacks are:
1. Newton
2. Gabbert
3. Locker
4. Mallett
5. Dalton
6. Ponder
7. Kaperneck
8. Stanzi

and there is really so little seperating most of these players, nobody can really tell who will end up the best.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by cdskins26

he successfully managed a game against a significantly better nebraska team that had walked through them earlier in the season. he also has something that cannot be coached, toughness. he wants to win as much as anyone, and is definitely motivated to succeed.

My rankings for these quarterbacks are:
1. Newton
2. Gabbert
3. Locker
4. Mallett
5. Dalton
6. Ponder
7. Kaperneck
8. Stanzi

and there is really so little seperating most of these players, nobody can really tell who will end up the best.

I don't see it like that. For me it's more along the lines of

High Floor High Ceiling
........okay no one.

Medium Floor, Medium to High Ceiling
Blaine Gabbert
Andy Dalton
Christian Ponder

Low Floor, High Ceiling
Kaepernick

Low Floor, Ridiculously High Ceiling
Cam Newton
Jake Locker
Ryan Mallet

[Swarley]

Originally Posted by Landry44

You can't be serious? What is it about Jake Lockers mediocre play through his career that would merit him going 10th overall? Was in inaccurate passing, poor presences, poor leadership skills, poor completion percentage, or mediocre winning percentage?

there's also a general lack of quality passers in this years draft so taking the quarterback we most believe in may be the best we can do.

[Landry44]

Originally Posted by GreekSkin

there's also a general lack of quality passers in this years draft so taking the quarterback we most believe in may be the best we can do.

Ryan Mallett is definitely a quality passer. In my opinion he's the best qb in this draft.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Landry44

You can't be serious? What is it about Jake Lockers mediocre play through his career that would merit him going 10th overall? Was in inaccurate passing, poor presences, poor leadership skills, poor completion percentage, or mediocre winning percentage?

Why so serious? What is about Jake Locke'rs great play in lifting an 0-12 team to a bowl game win that you don't see? Was is his ability to make bigtime throws in key situations and outstanding accuracy outside the pocket and on the move, 'great presences', elite arm strength and playmaking ability, quick release, great leadership skills, tunring around an entire football program?

[Landry44]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Why so serious? What is about Jake Locke'rs great play in lifting an 0-12 team to a bowl game win that you don't see? Was is his ability to make bigtime throws in key situations and outstanding accuracy outside the pocket and on the move, 'great presences', elite arm strength and playmaking ability, quick release, great leadership skills, tunring around an entire football program?

He didn't make anyone on his team better so how is it that he has great leadership skills? His team was sub 500 under his so called leadership. He has the ability(like many others) to make big throws but he rarely does. His accuracy is terrible that is why he had a 55% completion percentage. His whole college career has been mediocre at best. I have tons of evidence to support each one of these statements. Do you wish to challenge them?

[SmootSmack]

Well some would tell you that Brown was the contingency plan for Harris. When we didn't get Harris we went after Brown...others would tell you we wanted both

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well some would tell you that Brown was the contingency plan for Harris. When we didn't get Harris we went after Brown...others would tell you we wanted both

When the original plan was to draft Bradford? Leaving Brown at LT and Harris at RT.

[skinsfaninok]

#10 Trade with STL
#14 Ryan Mallett
# 41 Phil Taylor DT Baylor
# 47 from STL. Jon Baldwin WR Pitt
# 144 Demarco Murray RB OKLA
# 155 Steve Wisniewski C PSU
# 177 Alex Henery K Neb

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

#10 Trade with STL
#14 Ryan Mallett
# 41 Phil Taylor DT Baylor
# 47 from STL. Jon Baldwin WR Pitt
# 144 Demarco Murray RB OKLA
# 155 Steve Wisniewski C PSU
# 177 Alex Henery K Neb

Mallet at 14? Are you doing Meth? I mean I could be accused of coke with Locker at 10, but Mallet at 14? Man, you didn't do it just once did you?

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Mallet at 14? Are you doing Meth? I mean I could be accused of coke with Locker at 10, but Mallet at 14? Man, you didn't do it just once did you?

Guy has a top 10 grade Locker doesn't lol

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

#10 Trade with STL
#14 Ryan Mallett
# 41 Phil Taylor DT Baylor
# 47 from STL. Jon Baldwin WR Pitt
# 144 Demarco Murray RB OKLA
# 155 Steve Wisniewski C PSU
# 177 Alex Henery K Neb

You are missing some picks. You also clearly don't like linemen very much - 2 linemen in 6 selections, despite the fact that both lines need help.