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[donofriose]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

Don't know if this question deserves it's own thread:

Assume that for some reason RG3 was unavailable to us last draft. Would signing Peyton Manning have been a good move for us? For this past season? How about the near future?

Redskins would have made the playoffs for the next 3 years, pretty much guaranteed, but they never would have won a superbowl with Manning at QB.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

Don't know if this question deserves it's own thread:

Assume that for some reason RG3 was unavailable to us last draft. Would signing Peyton Manning have been a good move for us? For this past season? How about the near future?

Good question. I think this would have depended on how the defense would have played in the first part of the season. I think Manning could have worked his magic with our offense, I just don't know if the defense would have been able to play decent enough to get the offense through the adjustment period of the first half of the season. I don't think our defense is nowhere near where the Denver defense was this past season.

In the comeback game against San Diego, the Denver D played a big role in keeping the game within reach and put up some points themselves in the second half. I don't think our defense is able to do the same.

The only thing that makes consider that Manning would have been able to win here is that as good as our offense was this past season, it wasn't very efficient. We were getting tons of offensive yards, but had a terrible 3rd down conversion for the most part in the season and at times didn't do well in scoring in the redzone (see first game against the Giants). I wonder if Manning would have been able to overcome those inefficiencies. Talent-wise in offense, I think Manning could have been successful with the players we acquired.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Giantone

My opinion,is you are wrong ,refs are making judgment calls all the time some are right some are not.You seem to assume that all hits are equal and they aren't ,that was my point.

Yup you're right it's all me,,so did you ever play the actual game itself and at what level,not accusing just curious?

I did. I played football for 10 years. I was a quarterback and three year starter in high school on a Maryland State A champinship team. We ran the exact same offense that Don Coryell did. Never had a play book but ran 60 or so plays from that offense. This was 25 years ago. Did not play in college cause my grades were awful. I've had a concussion before. It's something that should be taken seriously and awareness needs to be made. But they are over enforcing it on the field and it's cause of the lawsuits. It's common sense that if a hand slaps to a qb in the head that it's not going to hurt. Right? Or letting wr catch the ball first, then let him make a move before he can he hit is just ridiculous. Or penalizing the defender for helmet to helmet when the offensive player lowers his head to embrace the hit. In the SB we actually saw a game where they let me play. The best ref is a quiet one IMO.

[HailGreen28]

@donofriose and ruhskins: Would having Peyton help us become a team that could win a SB, even if like D says Peyton's own history isn't good? With Alfmo and Garcon and others we got, and Shanny and Bruce picking players in future years to build the team with?

Agreed Denver's D is way better than ours. QB play was so lacking for us until last season... I thought Peyton would never play at a high level again, but I agree he'd have a lot of success with our guys.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I did. I played football for 10 years. I was a quarterback and three year starter in high school on a Maryland State A champinship team. We ran the exact same offense that Don Coryell did. Never had a play book but ran 60 or so plays from that offense. This was 25 years ago. Did not play in college cause my grades were awful. I've had a concussion before. It's something that should be taken seriously and awareness needs to be made. But they are over enforcing it on the field and it's cause of the lawsuits. It's common sense that if a hand slaps to a qb in the head that it's not going to hurt. Right? Or letting wr catch the ball first, then let him make a move before he can he hit is just ridiculous. Or penalizing the defender for helmet to helmet when the offensive player lowers his head to embrace the hit. In the SB we actually saw a game where they let me play. The best ref is a quiet one IMO.

These two statements don't make sense. So you want people to be serious and aware of concussions (and its consequences); but you don't want any measures to prevent them on the game?

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

Jones doesn't follow advise.

He follows the voices in his head.

[SCRedskinsFan]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I did. I played football for 10 years. I was a quarterback and three year starter in high school on a Maryland State A champinship team. We ran the exact same offense that Don Coryell did. Never had a play book but ran 60 or so plays from that offense. This was 25 years ago. Did not play in college cause my grades were awful. I've had a concussion before. It's something that should be taken seriously and awareness needs to be made. But they are over enforcing it on the field and it's cause of the lawsuits. It's common sense that if a hand slaps to a qb in the head that it's not going to hurt. Right? Or letting wr catch the ball first, then let him make a move before he can he hit is just ridiculous. Or penalizing the defender for helmet to helmet when the offensive player lowers his head to embrace the hit. In the SB we actually saw a game where they let me play. The best ref is a quiet one IMO.

When you started this I said that you wouldn't want to make the "integrity over safety" argument, and I stay with that opinion.

Your football experience aside, there's just no reason to change the rule that requires a referee to penalize a blow to a QB's head. And don't tell me that there should be some judgment as to whether it might potentially cause an injury. The league is telling rushers to keep their damn hand off the QB's head and they're right. No judgement needed here, and no assault on integrity either.

I'm also agreeing the league's attempt to limit the devastating hits receivers take as they receive the ball. Don't know whether their method is absolutely right, but I applaud their attempt at the killer "gangsta" hits by defensive players more intent on being a highlight on ESPN than actually making a good tackle. They've got to get rid of the headhunters for the good of the game, don't even tell me about integrity.

As to helmet to helmet blows what I's seeing is that the refs almost always get it right. I know that there may be time the offensive player seems to lower his head and contributes to the helmet to helmet contact, but I'll run the risk of getting call wrong over continuing the epidemic of brain injuries that might kill football long before the lack of integrity you're worried about.

As to your assertion that a quiet referee is the best referee, you're just absolutely wrong. The best referee is the one that gets the call right, not the one who eats his whistle...

[Chico23231]

Y! SPORTS

alex smith trade about done. Looks like its the Fat Man

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I did. I played football for 10 years. I was a quarterback and three year starter in high school on a Maryland State A champinship team. We ran the exact same offense that Don Coryell did. Never had a play book but ran 60 or so plays from that offense. This was 25 years ago. Did not play in college cause my grades were awful. I've had a concussion before. It's something that should be taken seriously and awareness needs to be made. But they are over enforcing it on the field and it's cause of the lawsuits. It's common sense that if a hand slaps to a qb in the head that it's not going to hurt. Right? Or letting wr catch the ball first, then let him make a move before he can he hit is just ridiculous. Or penalizing the defender for helmet to helmet when the offensive player lowers his head to embrace the hit. In the SB we actually saw a game where they let me play. The best ref is a quiet one IMO.

Cool,like I said I was just asking,no judgment.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Y! SPORTS

alex smith trade about done. Looks like its the Fat Man

I doubt Smith does much there

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

I doubt Smith does much there

Well Smith could do as much - Chiefs does have some weapons on offense with Bowe, Baldwin, Moeaki, McCluster, and Charles. I don't believe Smith will play great enough to win games for the team but I believe he will play well, just like he did with 49ers.

[Ruhskins]

Smith will be interesting in KC. Will definitely have better weapons than he did initially in KC (Bowe, Moeaki, and Charles). I don't know how good is the KC o-line; I believe Smith needs a good o-line to succeed. The biggest question will be the defense. KC had a good D when Crennel was their DC, they were pretty banged up last year, I wonder how they'll do this year.

[Lotus]

Smith seems like a classic Reid QB - good mobility, strong arm.

[Ruhskins]

A bit off topic, but cool nonetheless
Oscar winner wears RGIII socks with his tux

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Smith will be interesting in KC. Will definitely have better weapons than he did initially in KC (Bowe, Moeaki, and Charles). I don't know how good is the KC o-line; I believe Smith needs a good o-line to succeed. The biggest question will be the defense. KC had a good D when Crennel was their DC, they were pretty banged up last year, I wonder how they'll do this year.

I think he'll be OK there but not like his last couple years in SF, Kc just isn't as good as the 9ers and their oline is not very good.