Who is Kirk Cousins?

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by NoCalHail

The only "agenda" I have is for the 'Skins to win games. Right now they are 3-5, most likely on their way to another losing season with a QB that a lot of this fanbase is/was convinced was going to make a huge difference for the offense.

I am not judging Kirk's play against Robert's play. I am judging Kirk's play based on what I see Kirk do. I want him to succeed. If he is who the coaches and management feel is fit for the role, I want him to evolve into "the man" but it doesn't mean he just automatically gets some kind of benefit of the doubt. He is not a 23 year old rookie. He is someone who likely is going to have to show a lot in the 2nd half of the season because a quick decision is going to have to be made on what to do with him going forward as he becomes a free agent.

the huge difference not being Kirk would be a pro bowler but the world of difference being we could move away from the simpleton 1 read passing plays and call actual passing plays based off reading, timing, anticipation, progressions, pocket awareness etc.

you know, all the things every QB in this league can do besides RG3 and johnny manziel.

that with Kirk we could call real NFL passing plays with the Qb taking the right steps and being able to read and deliver the ball with actual progressions.

watching RG3 struggle with the simplest of concepts and having our play calling reduced to simple 1 read johnny manziel type stuff was the world we wanted to move on from.

kirk is the best option available .... and hes actual playing pretty well and its exciting to watch his progression.

the fan base going into this year was hoping to run the ball and stop the run. that is what every coach and scot said would be our brand of football.

unfortunately, we havent ran for more than 51 yards in 4 games now.

We ran for a team total of 37 yards last week.

no one ever said cousins would be a pro bowler. no one ever said cousins is the solution but he has been a bright spot regardless of what a handful of fans think to the contrary. the fact that there are so few of fans with your opinion is positive. it will never be 100%.

this thread is killing me.

[NoCalHail]

So few fans with what opinion, that Kirk Cousins has been about an average QB in 2015 so far? Where do his statistics put him against his peers exactly? Who said he wasn't the best option on the roster? I certainly didn't.

All I said was that this is likely going to be another losing season and that IMO, Cousins hasn't done enough yet to show he deserves a long term commitment from the organization going forward. It doesn't mean he can/t/won't get better moving forward but it doesn't mean he will either, we will have to wait and see.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by NoCalHail

So few fans with what opinion, that Kirk Cousins has been about an average QB in 2015 so far? Where do his statistics put him against his peers exactly? Who said he wasn't the best option on the roster? I certainly didn't.

All I said was that this is likely going to be another losing season and that IMO, Cousins hasn't done enough yet to show he deserves a long term commitment from the organization going forward. It doesn't mean he can/t/won't get better moving forward but it doesn't mean he will either, we will have to wait and see.

The only thing Cousins has done is wait his turn...he hasn't played like he's the answer at the QB position. Far from it...he should remain only for the reasons he was drafted.... and that was for depth purposes....

[TheMalcolmConnection]

I think Kirk's ceiling is an above average QB which is something we haven't had in freaking forever. People saying he's not the answer, do you mean he's not elite? Those type of QBs are few and far between. I'd put him in the top 15 of the league. I can name a handful better (elite) and a bunch you'd have to give me a convincing argument that they are better than him. For example, is Ryan Fitzpatrick better than Cousins?

[TheMalcolmConnection]

If I sit down and think about mediocre QBs, I want to lump him in there, but then I also think of a few plays that I'm like, "Damn, that's impressive." Personally, I think if Russell Wilson wasn't mobile, he would compare favorably to Kirk Cousins at this point in his career.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I think Kirk's ceiling is an above average QB which is something we haven't had in freaking forever. People saying he's not the answer, do you mean he's not elite? Those type of QBs are few and far between. I'd put him in the top 15 of the league. I can name a handful better (elite) and a bunch you'd have to give me a convincing argument that they are better than him. For example, is Ryan Fitzpatrick better than Cousins?

Are you kidding me? Kirk Cousins had the lowest score of any player in the league after the week 5 loss to the NYJ....

[Hog1]

Did he play in any other games this year? How did he fare in those? How did other QB's fare against the Jets D this year?

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Lowest score of what?

[TheMalcolmConnection]

I'll also clarify, this is not based on past performance, this is based on right now. If you you think about starting QBs in the NFL right now (judging ONLY on this season) how many are better if you throw out history?

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Lowest score of what?

After the loss to the NYJ Cousins was graded out as the worst player at his position according to Pro Football Focus.....

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Did he play in any other games this year? How did he fare in those? How did other QB's fare against the Jets D this year?

He has 10 TDs, 9 INTs, 1,954 yards passing, a 66.% completion score....and a 82.9 QB RATING.....

These are average numbers at best... at the rate he's going he will end up having 20 TDs and possibly 19 or 20 INTs and 3500 yards....this is on par with the playing ability of a second string quarterback...Cousins is simply not starting material....a quarterback like this will undoubtedly and greatly contribute to a NFL team's 5-11, 6-10, or 7-9 record....

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

After the loss to the NYJ Cousins was graded out as the worst player at his position according to Pro Football Focus.....

PFF is a joke.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

After the loss to the NYJ Cousins was graded out as the worst player at his position according to Pro Football Focus.....

Oh no you didnt

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

He has 10 TDs, 9 INTs, 1,954 yards passing, a 66.% completion score....and a 82.9 QB RATING.....

These are average numbers at best... at the rate he's going he will end up having 20 TDs and possibly 19 or 20 INTs and 3500 yards....this is on par with the playing ability of a second string quarterback...Cousins is simply not starting material....a quarterback like this will undoubtedly and greatly contribute to a NFL team's 5-11, 6-10, or 7-9 record....

Who expected better this year? AND it is largely been served with half of his starting cast watching from the sidelines. Yet, he shows definite positive signs and signs of evolution. If he continues...who knows. KC may indeed prove to be something other than a starter in this league, but it is far more prudent to let the basis of that decision be.....Proven rather than speculated on.

[Alvin Walton]

Kirk Cousins is Batman.