Time to bench Brunell? (Mega Man Merge)

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

its all speculation that Brunell will struggle as much with Portis in the game as much as he does with out him. Until we have the most valuable piece of this offense on the field, its unfair to blame Brunell. Look at KC, fortunately they had LJ in the wings waiting, but there offense was geared around the RB. same as when he was in St. Louis. Faulk was the man. the WR and offense just doesn't move the same unless the #1 piece is in the huddle. In our case it is Portis. I wont judge anything from this game if Portis is playing because its Houston. I want to see the whole product on the field against Jacksonville. But, I think they can use Houston as a confidence builder (if in fact we play well)

I don't think you can put Brunell's inefficiency on Portis missing in the backfield. No doubt, Portis is a huge part of our offense - huge! However, Brunell couldn't get the ball to his receivers, that's not a function of Portis not lining up behind you. Brunell floated the ball and never took it deep, that's not a function of Portis not lining up behind you. He often scrambled into the pass rush or his release was either late or too early, nothing to do with Portis behind the QB.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

We can't say with certainty that the team will struggle with JC in there until JC actually get's in there.

It's all speculation at this point. And given the current offensive production, system or no, the drop off wouldn't be that dramatic if at all.

You sure? Mark has thrown only 1 INT this year. Most QBS have 2 or more, looking at the stats. Simms (TB) has 6, Plummer (DEN), Collins (TEN) and Frye (CLE) have 4 each.

Brunell is in the middle of the pack in completion %. Better than Delhomme, Favre, Bulger, Collins, Vick, Roethlisberger, Alex Smith, Plummer, Tom Brady, Bledsoe, McNair, Brad Johnson, Chris Simms and all of the part-time QBs that have played.

He fumbled once but didn't lose it. Most of the QBs in the NFL have 1 or 2 LOST FUMBLES so far.

He threw for 197 yards despite being sacked 6 times against Dallas.

It could be a LOT worse.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by Buster

You sure? Mark has thrown only 1 INT this year. Most QBS have 2 or more, looking at the stats. Simms (TB) has 6, Plummer (DEN), Collins (TEN) and Frye (CLE) have 4 each.

how many TDs do those guys have? how many does Brunell have so far this year including preseason?

hmm, my posts must be easy to ignore.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Buster

You sure? Mark has thrown only 1 INT this year.

and just how many games has he won? how many TDs has he thrown? oh yeah, that's right, zero.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

If we put Campbell in, you, me, and everyone else has to know that we are going to struggle just as much, if not more. JC does not have the kind of grasp of the offense needed to make the difference everyone thinks he will.

if JC struggled just as much, at least he'd be learning the offense for the future. if he struggled more, it'd still apply. do we really want Brunell to learn this offense for his 36yr old future? cuz "winning now" looks FAR from happening.

hurts to think how much JC would've grasped this offense if he took ALL the practice snaps with the first team during this year's (oh-so-productive) off/pre-season.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by Stacks42

Dont know if anyone has posted this yet, but haha!

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[ArtMonkDrillz]

Matty, I have a problem. I must give my two cents in all the MB threads, no matter how dumb they are. That old bastard is consuming my life!

[Monkeydad]

I bet if we start Campbell without Portis back there to block for him (Betts can't block like Portis) and he got hurt, you'd all want Gibbs fired.

I still believe this uprising is WAY too early.

[gibbsisgod]

Would we all agree that it is in everybodys best interest to get Campbell in there at some point this season? If we lose 2 out of the next 3 games and the offense still looks like crap, then what? Put Campbell in then? IMO if they put him in now, we dont lose that much from the qb position, and we will probably be in the same position with a losing record, but Campbell needs to play eventually.

[gibbsisgod]

with all that being said......i will be the first one in line at the crow eating contest if MB suddenly finds the fountain of youth.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by gibbsisgod

with all that being said......i will be the first one in line at the crow eating contest if MB suddenly finds the fountain of youth.

Dude, line me up for that Crow burger. In fact, Offiss can be the Chef and serve the first meal

[illdefined]

Portis should not be saving Brunell's career. people expect Portis to singlehandledly to bring the safeties up with his running, and then block the blitzers with his 220lb frame for Brunell's passes to connect? what's next, Portis actually helping Brunell with his throwing motion on the field?

young Brunell would have made some of those plays work with just his arm and legs, but that seems like ages ago.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by illdefined

Portis should not be saving Brunell's career. people expect Portis to singlehandledly to bring the safeties up with his running, and then block the blitzers with his 220lb frame for Brunell's passes to connect? what's next, Portis actually helping Brunell with his throwing motion on the field?

young Brunell would have made some of those plays work with just his arm and legs, but that seems like ages ago.

Elway and Montana stopped running a lot later in their careers too, were they trash too?

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by Buster

Elway and Montana stopped running a lot later in their careers too, were they trash too?

you really want to compare Montana and Elway with Brunell? really?

cuz you just compared him to Simms, Plummer, Collins and Frye.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by illdefined

you really want to compare Montana and Elway with Brunell? really?

cuz you just compared him to Simms, Plummer, Collins and Frye.

I'm not comparing him to anyone...just making the point that QBs' games change over time. You want him to keep running like he's a Washington Husky but he's changed his game from learning more AND to compensate for his age, as EVERY QB has had to do...unless they play like statues from day 1 like Bledsoe.

He can't run as well as he used to but he's also better in other areas of his game, like decision-making. In 1996, he had 19 TDs and 20 INTs. in 2005, he had 23 TDs and only 10 INTs. Also, his sacks have gone down dramatically as his career has progressed. Even when he could run, he was sacked MORE. Why? Better decisions.