Current Redskins Salary Cap Status - 2009

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I wasnt trying to be argumentative and im sorry if thats how it came off. I was just trying to point out that, based on the only information you guys had at the time, you were adamant about the skins having around 12M in cap space, despite the Times and Post both reporting numbers in the 6-7M range. However, new information came to light (Campbell and Rogers increased base salary for 2009), reducing the cap estimates here from 12M to 9M, so you guys have adjusted your numbers here as well. I'm just saying its possible there is still information out there that you do not have access to yet, and the Times and Post may actually be correct, and we may have around 7M in cap space. The Times and Post are likely not doing any calcuations themselves - they are likely getting numbers from sources within Redskins park and/or the league, who know the real numbers. I have no doubt you guys are providing as accurate of a total as you can given the information you have - but youre still limited by not having full access to the data the team and league have. Its very possible the figures posted in the Times and Post are correct.

Yeah but we do have pretty good info. You can look the salary data up right on the NFLPA website, it's made 100% public. And the information on contract bonuses and the like comes right out of the same articles JLC and David Elfin write for their respective papers. All we do is tally it all up and do the math.

But if it's 7m or 9.4m, isn't the question whether or not that's enough space to do anything? My point is it's plenty. You can add a good starting player in there, like a Dockery, plus get Daniels and Wynn and Campbell, plus sign rookies.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

But if it's 7m or 9.4m, isn't the question whether or not that's enough space to do anything? My point is it's plenty. You can add a good starting player in there, like a Dockery, plus get Daniels and Wynn and Campbell, plus sign rookies.

if its 7M, we dont have much room at all. We need 2-3Million for our rookies and we need several million to replace injured players during the season. The way i see it, we are on a very tight budget right now and only have the ability to sign old veterans to minimum contracts with very small, if not non-existant, signing bonuses. We certainly dont have space to sign anyone of Dockerys caliber. Any of the remaining noteable LBs on the market are no doubt out of our price range.

[The Goat]

At least it's a small downward adjustment this time around... I like the trend.

[CRedskinsRule]

Thanks as always for the info.
I am still hoping that after the draft we may find someone out there that gets released from a team with an abundance of one our positions of need.

[That Guy]

hey, quick note... if wynn or daniels or whoever sign as 1year vet min deals (with 40k or less signing bonus), they should only count 460k against the cap, regardless of whether their nfl experience minimum salary (what they actually get paid) is 460k or 780k or whatever.

[Trample the Elderly]

Look at it this way. I heard the Cowpukes are 22 under right now but haven't really picked up anyone. Seeing how most of the good FA are gone they'll not be able to do much even with all of that money.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

Look at it this way. I heard the Cowpukes are 22 under right now but haven't really picked up anyone. Seeing how most of the good FA are gone they'll not be able to do much even with all of that money.

they just signed the DE from SD - Olshansky(sp?), but it looks like they didn't try to re-sign Canty to save space for Ware. Maybe that's their plan, but WAre's agent is holding off to see what happens w/the cba next year.

Haynesworths' deal definitely jacked up what JJ will have to offer Ware.

[That Guy]

some ex-vp of green bay was just on saying how earned incentives count when earned (ie, if haynesworth get 3mill for 8 sacks in 2009... if he gets the 8th sack in game 3, that 3mill cap hit happens immediately, (not in 2010 as per usual) and if the team goes over cap because of it, they can get docked draft picks and fined.

so, that means we've got to carry enough cap room to cover any incentives written into current contracts for the 2009 season, just in case...

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by That Guy

some ex-vp of green bay was just on saying how earned incentives count when earned (ie, if haynesworth get 3mill for 8 sacks in 2009... if he gets the 8th sack in game 3, that 3mill cap hit happens immediately, (not in 2010 as per usual) and if the team goes over cap because of it, they can get docked draft picks and fined.

so, that means we've got to carry enough cap room to cover any incentives written into current contracts for the 2009 season, just in case...

And now that there are no longer any free agents worth a darn out there, we're at the point where you might as well just carry plenty of extra space into the season for things like this.

[The Goat]

Didn't know that... good thing to keep in mind although I wonder if/when that kind of situation arises does the franchise have a bit of time to get back under the cap through some other means?

[BigHairedAristocrat]

My gut (which seems to grow larger with each passing day) tells me we may not address RT at all in FA or with a significant draft pick. I think our line will stay very much like it is and Heyer or Jansen will likely start opening day. I think our first two picks will be DE and LB, but not necessarily in that order. I know i have no facts to base this on, other than comments from the park about Heyer and Jansen competing for the RT starting spot and the fact we are sitting on our hands and not doing much of anything to address DE and LB, other than offering (likely) vet min contracts to Daniels and Wynn.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

My gut (which seems to grow larger with each passing day) tells me we may not address RT at all in FA or with a significant draft pick. I think our line will stay very much like it is and Heyer or Jansen will likely start opening day. I think our first two picks will be DE and LB, but not necessarily in that order. I know i have no facts to base this on, other than comments from the park about Heyer and Jansen competing for the RT starting spot and the fact we are sitting on our hands and not doing much of anything to address DE and LB, other than offering (likely) vet min contracts to Daniels and Wynn.

I hope not, because that would mean an epic failure of an attempt at protecting JC adequately. Of course if we get a stud pass rusher out of that deal then I'd complain a lot less. If Vinny doesn't go RT at 13 then he BETTER hit and hit big on whatever he does choose.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I hope not, because that would mean an epic failure of an attempt at protecting JC adequately. Of course if we get a stud pass rusher out of that deal then I'd complain a lot less. If Vinny doesn't go RT at 13 then he BETTER hit and hit big on whatever he does choose.

I'm personally hoping for a stud LT with the 13th pick, but I could see the logic behind addressing the defensive holes on our team this year.

1) If Stephon Heyer does have the ability to be a long-term solution at RT, it would be a better use of our resources.
2) Right now, weve got a great defense and an offense that - theoretically should be much better its 2nd year, especially if last years 2nd rounders step up.
3) If we did get Ray Maualuga at 13 and he becomes the next Ray Lewis as many predict, then he would have more of an impact on our defense than any RT could have on our offense.

I guess it comes down to: do we want to put all our eggs in one basket and have a the most dominant defense in the NFL while having an average offense (Ravens) OR do we want to have a great defense and a slightly above-average offense (Titans)?

The way i see it, this team is really two years away from being able to fill all its holes - no matter what Vinny does, we're going to be somewhat thin at 2 of our three main areas of need (DE, LB, OT) when the 2009 season starts. However, if we make the right choices at hit big at 13 like you say, whatever needs arent addressed this year can be addresssed in the 2010 draft - assuming we dont trade more picks away of course.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I hope not, because that would mean an epic failure of an attempt at protecting JC adequately. Of course if we get a stud pass rusher out of that deal then I'd complain a lot less. If Vinny doesn't go RT at 13 then he BETTER hit and hit big on whatever he does choose.

I think that's the most important thing, if we're going to take a RT, he's gotta be ready to play. If he can't step right in and make Heyer a backup, this year will look a lot like the end of last season. Jason barely had time to finish his dropback a lot of times before he was getting smothered. This team needs to get better protecting the Q and that's gotta come from the O Line.

I would even go so far as to say that if we take a 1st round tackle, maybe he should move Chris Samuels. I think that would sure up the line a whole lot if the rook could be close to what Samuels was, that'd a huge upgrade to the line.

I also think that bringing back Dockery will really help the O Line, but C, RG, and RT are all still a concern. We have to go for one of those high in this year's draft, IMHO.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by jdlea

I think that's the most important thing, if we're going to take a RT, he's gotta be ready to play. If he can't step right in and make Heyer a backup, this year will look a lot like the end of last season. Jason barely had time to finish his dropback a lot of times before he was getting smothered. This team needs to get better protecting the Q and that's gotta come from the O Line.

I would even go so far as to say that if we take a 1st round tackle, maybe he should move Chris Samuels. I think that would sure up the line a whole lot if the rook could be close to what Samuels was, that'd a huge upgrade to the line.

I also think that bringing back Dockery will really help the O Line, but C, RG, and RT are all still a concern. We have to go for one of those high in this year's draft, IMHO.

Just to play devils advocate, i think the interior of our line was far weaker than the OT positions last year. Weve already upgraded there by getting Dock. Heyer never got much of a chance to play RT, so if he's on one end and Samuels is on the other, then our OL should be significantly better than it was last year. I'm not saying RT isnt a glaring weakness, but just pointing out that we've already put ourselves in a position where JC should have better protection (assuming everyone stays healthy).

That said, I agree with you that any OT we take needs to be able to start this year. If we take Oher, he has he potential to start at LT immediately for us, moving Samuels to RT... if that happened, our line would be pretty dominant if Thomas can hold it together one more year.