What has Obama done well?

[saden1]

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

1796
Public Land Act of 1796 authorized Federal land sales to the public in minimum 640-acre plots at $2 per acre of credit.

SOCIALISM

LOOOOOOL....good one. These people decrying socailisim have implicitly and explicitly benefited. Forthermore if you ask most of these loons what's the difference between socialism and communism they wouldn't be able to tell you.

[joethiesmanfan]

RECIPE for SOCILAISM i.e Bush\Cheney aka credit default swaps

If Obama was a SOCIALIST then GWB gave him the perfect opportunity to hatch his evile plan bwahahahaha. The best plan for socialism would have been to.

A. Not use TARP wait to borrow the money later.
B. Allow the economy panick to continue citing the deficit. Until the economey collapses (Great Depression 2).
C. Instant socialism, every one in line for your bread and soup handed out by the government.
D. Eveyone recieve your unemployment check, and since there are no jobs in sight sign up for jobs by the government, instant BIG HUGE HUMONGOUS government.
E. Join the new national security detail to help control the civil unrest caused by the economic collapse
F. All gun ownership by private citizens illegal too much civil unrest threat to national security.
G. Everyone qualifies for Medicare since there are not enough jobs for private insurance to exist and make a profit at teh same time.
H. Hand out 40 year sentences (like Jake Delhomme handing out interceptons in the NFC divisonal playoffs versus the Cardinals) to all caught involved in the myriad ponzi schemes that collpased the economy. (also a perfect time to prosecute enemies who needs an email list)

The American public was bamboozled. If what the Republicans want was truly good for America then under the Republican would have kept the majority after 911, and we would be living in a free market utopia by now. To borrow money we don't have is one thing. To imagine money exists that does not really exists is another all together. This imagining money exists that does not really exist is called Irrational Exuberance by Greenspan. Those days are over, so no more 25 year-old girlfreinds for you baby boomers. We need to save the country and we have to borrow real money from people who really go it. Thanks W.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Miller101

Exactly my point firstdown!!!!! EXACTLY! Remember back when Obama did his budget, the Republicans said 'no'. Obama said what do you mean 'no', no what? Republicans said 'no'. Obama, a little bit frustrated, said.......okay do you have any ideas?. Republicans, 'NO'. Obama then says, "just shut up". You see, thats my whole point. Obama is trying to communicate with them, but is using words that are just a little bit to big. He needs to simplify it. "Shut up" is a simple word. Thats what Republicans get and thats what they remember. Obama needs to find those little words and use them! Then he has bipartisanship. Thats going to be a challenge. I don't know if he can do it myself, but we'll see.

This is about as dumb of a post as I have read here in a long time. The example you gave was the stimulas bill and not the budget. I guess you say that the rep. are doing the same thing with health care and providing no insite?

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

RECIPE for SOCILAISM i.e Bush\Cheney aka credit default swaps

If Obama was a SOCIALIST then GWB gave him the perfect opportunity to hatch his evile plan bwahahahaha. The best plan for socialism would have been to.

A. Not use TARP wait to borrow the money later.
B. Allow the economy panick to continue citing the deficit. Until the economey collapses (Great Depression 2).
C. Instant socialism, every one in line for your bread and soup handed out by the government.
D. Eveyone recieve your unemployment check, and since there are no jobs in sight sign up for jobs by the government, instant BIG HUGE HUMONGOUS government.
E. Join the new national security detail to help control the civil unrest caused by the economic collapse
F. All gun ownership by private citizens illegal too much civil unrest threat to national security.
G. Everyone qualifies for Medicare since there are not enough jobs for private insurance to exist and make a profit at teh same time.
H. Hand out 40 year sentences (like Jake Delhomme handing out interceptons in the NFC divisonal playoffs versus the Cardinals) to all caught involved in the myriad ponzi schemes that collpased the economy. (also a perfect time to prosecute enemies who needs an email list)

The American public was bamboozled. If what the Republicans want was truly good for America then under the Republican would have kept the majority after 911, and we would be living in a free market utopia by now. To borrow money we don't have is one thing. To imagine money exists that does not really exists is another all together. This imagining money exists that does not really exist is called Irrational Exuberance by Greenspan. Those days are over, so no more 25 year-old girlfreinds for you baby boomers. We need to save the country and we have to borrow real money from people who really go it. Thanks W.

Since when were Republicans not socialist?

[joethiesmanfan]

That's what they claim. Socialism = evil = Obama. We are not socialist.

[joethiesmanfan]

Trample explain to me how Republicans are socialist, this is a learning opportunity for me.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

That's what they claim. Socialism = evil = Obama. We are not socialist.

They can claim anything that they want. Bush was a socialist. Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive Republican too. It's nothing new.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

Trample explain to me how Republicans are socialist, this is a learning opportunity for me.

Taken from Slinging Sammy

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33
Bush positives: - concept of No Child Left Behind (Government intervention into the affairs of others is socialist. Why is it my responsibility to pay for the education of children, especially if I have none of my own? Once upon a time education was left up to the States.)

- Tax cuts resulting in 52 consecutive months of job creation (This is actually conservative.)

- minimized federal funding of abortion (Why the Federal government is funding abortions to begin with is beyond me..)

- Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act (There is nothing in the Constitution about reproductive rights. Everything that isn't in the Constituiton is left to the State or to the people themselves. If they want to make a Federal law about abortion than they need to reach down, grab some, and do it. Politicians play both sides of the issue.)

- Global HIV/AIDS funding (Pure Progressive Socialism. Who gave that SOB the right to take my money for AIDS? Where do they get this right from? It would be one thing to do it in America but in Africa? I've got the cure for AIDS. Don't screw around and don't shoot dope.)

- instrumental in expanding NATO alliance (Why? TJ warned us about alliances. But Progressive Republicans and Democrats don't see it that way. Who gave them the right to wage war on the Serbs?)

- Roberts & Alito and other strict constructionalist judge appointments. (I'm not so sure about these judges records since they've been in. I do know that the court has voted that emminent domain can be used for tax purposes. IE Oakland & Texas.)

- consolidated and reformed intelligence sharing ( Why they weren't brought up for dereliction of duty I don't know. I would consider it a Conservative move to scrap a few of these agencies and have just three, Military, CIA, and FBI.)

- parts of Homeland Security (agencies under HS should've consolidated more to reduce costs not as much new spending) (Creating more beauracracy to solve the problems of having too much beauracracy is a classic socialist attribute.)

- Bush Admin thwarted additional terrorist attempts to attack US citizens/interests. (Even socialist don't like glowing in the dark. Kuddos to the SOB for keeping me safe after 9/11.)


- Afghanistan (should've had better long term strategy) (Should have declared war and nuked the MFers of the face of the face of the EARTH. Decided to go the socialist route and nation build.)

- Iraq (actual war well executed, long term strategy not-so-much.) Troop surge worked though. (Classic progressive nation building.)


- Response to early 2000s (Clinton) recession. (Why Presidents get all the credit or flak for the economy is beyond me? Congress controls the purse strings, and Kenysian economics (socialist) goes up and down no matter who's in Congress or the White House.)

- Economic Stimulus Act (mostly tax rebates) (Bailout out the big boys at the expense of the little guy, classic Socialism. When Corporations are allowed to do business as long as they behave and do what their told, then it is socialism. When the government becomes a business and the Corporations become part of the government, that is the epitomy of Fascism.)

- Do Not Call Act (From a conservative point of view, this should be left up to you, the phone company, and the jerks calling you at dinner.)

The only difference between a Communist and a Fascist is that a Fascist loves his country. They're both left wing a**hole autocrates. Conservatives mind their own business. If they say they do but really do not, they're probably just Republicans.

[joethiesmanfan]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

The only difference between a Communist and a Fascist is that a Fascist loves his country. They're both left wing a**hole autocrates. Conservatives mind their own business. If they say they do but really do not, they're probably just Republicans.

Interesting

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by saden1

LOOOOOOL....good one. These people decrying socailisim have implicitly and explicitly benefited. Forthermore if you ask most of these loons what's the difference between socialism and communism they wouldn't be able to tell you.

Neither would most of the "loons" who support it. Intellectual deficiency isn't constrained to some conservatives. There's plenty o' dumb people in the world who have opinions absent sufficient understanding. Hell a lot of them we've elected to office.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by saden1

LOOOOOOL....good one. These people decrying socailisim have implicitly and explicitly benefited. Forthermore if you ask most of these loons what's the difference between socialism and communism they wouldn't be able to tell you.

From Wikapedia

Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels used the terms socialism and communism interchangeably, and posited that it would be achieved via class struggle and a proletarian revolution

[That Guy]

fascists are right wing a holes.

russians were communist (well, almost).

nazis were fascist.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by That Guy

fascists are right wing a holes.

russians were communist (well, almost).

nazis were fascist.

What makes Fascism to the right of Communism is Nationalism. That doesn't make them right wing. That just makes them to the right of Communist on the socialist / progressive left wing.

I agree they tend to be a**holes. Russians were Communist, but what made the USSR Communist is that it was international and it tried and did export Marxism worldwide. Stalin was born in Georgia.

Don't confuse the NAZIs for Fascist. They were in many ways fascistic but, the Italian and Spanish Fascist didn't have the same racial ideology that defined German National Socialism. Also, remember this. The holocaust didn't come first, the American Eugenics program did. They were both done for the same reason by people who called themselves progressive. This is what makes left wingers a**holes, they'll sterilize or liquidate people for what they believe is best for society.

Your comments about NAZIs and Fascist being right wingers is a common lie that the left has spread around since Stalin. I wouldn't want to take credit for Communism, Nazism, or any other Progressive liquidation program either.

Conservativism, classic liberalism, and American libertarianism are right wing platforms and they have nothing in common with fascism.

If you don't believe me then I challenge you to explain to me why fascism is a right wing platform.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

From Wikapedia

Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels used the terms socialism and communism interchangeably, and posited that it would be achieved via class struggle and a proletarian revolution

Nice try but no dice. Mr. Marx and Engels disliked socialism hence communism which they thought to be superior. It's all there in The Communist Manifesto if you care to find out (very short read).

You can't use something you lambaste (socialism) interchangeably with something you champion (communism).

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by saden1

Nice try but no dice. Mr. Marx and Engels disliked socialism hence communism which they thought to be superior. It's all there in The Communist Manifesto if you care to find out (very short read).

You can't use something you lambaste (socialism) interchangeably with something you champion (communism).

The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) was a constitutionally socialist state that existed in Eurasia from 1922 to 1991

Again, taken from Wikapedia. Take it up with them. It seems interchangable to me. Maybe on paper socialist control less and each country is different, but it's still the left wing.

Do you also subscribe to the belief that Fascism is a right wing ideology? Are you still reading the Communist Manifesto? That is so old hat, like Nietzsche and Kate Chopin.