Broncos to trade Cutler

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

You may be right, but that's grapes and grapefruits. That was universally panned as a horrible deal. Walker was never a good NFL player, never was a franchise back and aside from at UGA never showed any signs he would be one.

The flip side is how excited were we when we got the Saints entire draft for Ricky Williams? How did that work out for us?

How did it work out for us? How many Super Bowls did we parlay those picks into? I like the picks we made, but we've made the playoffs 3 times since that deal. It didn't work out all that well.

I would also add that I'm not sold on Jay Cutler, he's marginally better than Jason Campbell with much better receivers (Royal is probably close to Santana's level right now, IMO) and a far superior line, the only thing Jason had over Jay was a running game for 1/2 the season.

If Cutler comes here, we'll be losing another year to "adjusting to a new QB"/"the QB learning a new system." He's not worth nearly what he'll command in a trade.

Finally, Jay Cutler is probably the most thin-skinned player in the NFL, now. Does anyone think, with the way Skins fans treat QB's, that he's a great fit here? I don't think he'll be able to deal with playing in Washington. And he had Brandon Marshall in Denver, the best receiver here is Santana Moss, that's not even comparison. Jay Cutler with throw a lot more picks here than he did in Denver, and he threw a lot in Denver. I mean, really, he wasn't playing against nearly the pass rushers or the defensive backfields in the AFC West as he will in the NFC East. (Okay, he played against Merriman and the Bolts year before last, but I don't buy into the Oakland D being as good as advertised and KC's isn't nearly on par with Philly/Dal/NYG)

[irish]

Originally Posted by jdlea

How did it work out for us? How many Super Bowls did we parlay those picks into? I like the picks we made, but we've made the playoffs 3 times since that deal. It didn't work out all that well.

I would also add that I'm not sold on Jay Cutler, he's marginally better than Jason Campbell with much better receivers and a far superior line, the only thing Jason had over Jay was a running game for 1/2 the season. (Royal is probably close to Santana's level right now, IMO)

If Cutler comes here, we'll be losing another year to "adjusting to a new QB"/"the QB learning a new system." He's not worth nearly what he'll command in a trade.

Finally, Jay Cutler is probably the most thin-skinned player in the NFL, now. Does anyone think, with the way Skins fans treat QB's, that he's a great fit here? I don't think he'll be able to deal with playing in Washington. And he had Brandon Marshall in Denver, the best receiver here is Santana Moss, that's not even comparison. Jay Cutler with throw a lot more picks here than he did in Denver, and he threw a lot in Denver.

I agree with a lot of what you say but I'm not so sure that the Skins lose another year adjusting to the QB. Cutler came in and was starting about halfway thru his rookie season. He picked up enough to be the starter and I'm not sure it will take him long to get up to speed now that he's been a pro for awhile. I think Skins fans are so used to Campbell developing at a snail's pace that they forget some QBs can come in and play right away.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by jdlea

How did it work out for us? How many Super Bowls did we parlay those picks into? I like the picks we made, but we've made the playoffs 3 times since that deal. It didn't work out all that well.

I would also add that I'm not sold on Jay Cutler, he's marginally better than Jason Campbell with much better receivers (Royal is probably close to Santana's level right now, IMO) and a far superior line, the only thing Jason had over Jay was a running game for 1/2 the season.

If Cutler comes here, we'll be losing another year to "adjusting to a new QB"/"the QB learning a new system." He's not worth nearly what he'll command in a trade.

Finally, Jay Cutler is probably the most thin-skinned player in the NFL, now. Does anyone think, with the way Skins fans treat QB's, that he's a great fit here? I don't think he'll be able to deal with playing in Washington. And he had Brandon Marshall in Denver, the best receiver here is Santana Moss, that's not even comparison. Jay Cutler with throw a lot more picks here than he did in Denver, and he threw a lot in Denver. I mean, really, he wasn't playing against nearly the pass rushers or the defensive backfields in the AFC West as he will in the NFC East. (Okay, he played against Merriman and the Bolts year before last, but I don't buy into the Oakland D being as good as advertised and KC's isn't nearly on par with Philly/Dal/NYG)

I'm not down with this potential trade but Denver is just as intense about their team as we are. Denver might even be tougher for a Qb to play cause he's always going to have Elway's shadow lurking over him.

[MTK]

I guess I'm just not sold on Cutler being the answer when asking the question is he a true franchise QB. I'm not sure if JC is the answer either, but at least we can find out without having to give up more picks than we already gave up when we drafted him.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I guess I'm just not sold on Cutler being the answer when asking the question is he a true franchise QB. I'm not sure if JC is the answer either, but at least we can find out without having to give up more picks than we already gave up when we drafted him.

I see what you are saying so to me the solution is either one or the other. Either make the move to Cutler or make the commitment to Campbell with a 3 year extension. If we go into next offseason with a new QB (Cult of Colt-he's still not going to be ready, if ever, to be a starting NFL QB) then we've failed twice in this offseason to lock that position down.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I see what you are saying so to me the solution is either one or the other. Either make the move to Cutler or make the commitment to Campbell with a 3 year extension. If we go into next offseason with a new QB (Cult of Colt-he's still not going to be ready, if ever, to be a starting NFL QB) then we've failed twice in this offseason to lock that position down.

Jeff Garcia, one year deal?

Seriously though, good post

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I see what you are saying so to me the solution is either one or the other. Either make the move to Cutler or make the commitment to Campbell with a 3 year extension. If we go into next offseason with a new QB (Cult of Colt-he's still not going to be ready, if ever, to be a starting NFL QB) then we've failed twice in this offseason to lock that position down.

I think you make a good point, but a deal could get done midseason if Jason is playing lights out up to the bye week. At that point, Snyder and Cerrato could act quickly and get something done.

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I guess I'm just not sold on Cutler being the answer when asking the question is he a true franchise QB. I'm not sure if JC is the answer either, but at least we can find out without having to give up more picks than we already gave up when we drafted him.

I agree...its funny, Cutler is the current "hot name" in QB's because of last year...remember the year before?
Derek Anderson was a Pro-bowl QB...why not trade the world for him to be our QB for the next 10 years?
Why not...cause he sucks now..
but he didn't the year before.

The worst time to buy is when everyone thinks something is "hot"
Try buying stocks that way!....duh....its called buy low, sell high...not the reverse!

There is more risk here than some realize...we know what we have in Campbell.....solid, steady, few risks, few mistakes, great character guy.

Cutler is none of this things except perhaps solid...yes he can be coached but character can never be coached...and that is what gibbs took so much time to build...even bringing Daniels back shows that character is still important to the team.

This whole thing reeks of "HUH?" it is totally inconsistent with the changes that were made in terms of patience the last several years...this year with the 2 flashy signings of Hall and Haynesworth...I am having flashbacks of Jeff George again...I think that is what we are worried about.

To Dan, everything being even, the grass is always greener with another teams players, which is why he was accused of letting his good players go while signing big name aging FA's...at least before Gibbs.
A corner was turned a few years ago...and was turned back when we blew too much on Jason Taylor and this years cash party....

I hope someone in the FO puts the bottle down and leaves well enough alone.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I guess I'm just not sold on Cutler being the answer when asking the question is he a true franchise QB. I'm not sure if JC is the answer either, but at least we can find out without having to give up more picks than we already gave up when we drafted him.

The problem is that the 25yr old pro Bowl QB is available now not next year. If JC doesn't improve enough for the redskins to resign him then we will be trying to find a replacement next year from far less appealing options. I am tired of being unstable at the QB position. I like JC a lot and I really wanted him to be the guy especialy since Joe Gibbs picked him, but it's just obvious the Redskins do not see him as that guy. So whether or not we get Cutler it's so obvious that unless JC throws 35 TD's next year he is not getting resigned.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by celts32

The problem is that the 25yr old pro Bowl QB is available now not next year. If JC doesn't improve enough for the redskins to resign him then we will be trying to find a replacement next year from far less appealing options. I am tired of being unstable at the QB position. I like JC a lot and I really wanted him to be the guy especialy since Joe Gibbs picked him, but it's just obvious the Redskins do not see him as that guy. So whether or not we get Cutler it's so obvious that unless JC throws 35 TD's next year he is not getting resigned.

There will be other guys available next year.

Funny you say you are tired of being unstable at QB yet you want another QB change. Just sayin'.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

There will be other guys available next year.

Theres always "guys" available, but guys like Cutler - almost never. what "franchise QBs" will be available in 2010? I cant think of any single one. Again, i'm not sold on Cutler because of the diabetes/alcohol thing. I'm just asking, who do you think is going to be available of Cutlers "caliber?"

[MTK]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Theres always "guys" available, but guys like Cutler - almost never. what "franchise QBs" will be available in 2010? I cant think of any single one. Again, i'm not sold on Cutler because of the diabetes/alcohol thing. I'm just asking, who do you think is going to be available of Cutlers "caliber?"

Never? I'm not even sold on him being a true franchise QB yet. Let's not pencil him into the Hall already.

As far as who could be available who knows? Did anyone see Cutler becoming available?

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Theres always "guys" available, but guys like Cutler - almost never. what "franchise QBs" will be available in 2010? I cant think of any single one. Again, i'm not sold on Cutler because of the diabetes/alcohol thing. I'm just asking, who do you think is going to be available of Cutlers "caliber?"

The alcohol thing is a sports tabloid-generated thing and he's kept his diabetes under control....they're non-issues.

However, his crybaby attitude and selfishness are major obstacles to overcome and I do not want a whiny non-team player like him on the Redskins.

If he was a "franchise" QB, the Broncos would not have been tempted to trade him for a QB who had one partial season with a Super Bowl team who failed to even make the playoffs under his leadership and who had not previously started a game since HIGH SCHOOL.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

There will be other guys available next year.

Funny you say you are tired of being unstable at QB yet you want another QB change. Just sayin'.

Haha..nice one. I think this saga pretty much proves that a change is coming in the next 12 months regardless. I just think if it's Cutler then it could be the last change for a long while.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by celts32

The problem is that the 25yr old pro Bowl QB is available now not next year. If JC doesn't improve enough for the redskins to resign him then we will be trying to find a replacement next year from far less appealing options. I am tired of being unstable at the QB position. I like JC a lot and I really wanted him to be the guy especialy since Joe Gibbs picked him, but it's just obvious the Redskins do not see him as that guy. So whether or not we get Cutler it's so obvious that unless JC throws 35 TD's next year he is not getting resigned.

I put little value on Cutler's "Pro Bowl" status. The voting was held before Denver's meltdown in the last month and really, other QBs like Rivers or Pennington were more deserving.

The Pro Bowl doesn't mean a whole lot. Is London Fletcher a bad LB because he's never been voted/chosen for a Pro Bowl? He's been one of the league's best LBers for a decade, but no Pro Bowl honors, which is a joke.

Check out Cutler's second-half game log from last season:

Jay Cutler - Denver Broncos - Game Log - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

7 INTs and just 6 TDs in the last 6 games, QB rating of 78.15 over those games down the stretch...at least one pick in 13/16 games.

That's Pro Bowl material?