Arizona's New Immigration Law

[2BIG2BSKINNY]

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[2BIG2BSKINNY]

By the way I was born here in the United Sates from parents born in Cuba and Colombia! It does not affect me directly but it does my family!

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Los Angeles is broke why should AR care. LA better be ready because alot of illegals will be moving out of AR because of this law and will be moving to friendly cities like LA. LA is allready broke and this will just make things worse. If I was a mayor or governor of a boarder city or state to AR I'd atleast start talking tough to try and prevent the flood of illegals coming to my area.

It already costs them 10.5 bill. to accomidate them. I guess they can expect the cost to rise. What pisses me off is our federal tax dollars are helping out to pay for that.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by 2BIG2BSKINNY

By the way I was born here in the United Sates from parents born in Cuba and Colombia! It does not affect me directly but it does my family!

Are they not legal citizens and do they live in AR?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I stand corrected. I don't agree with it but I'll admit I was wrong.





Again I don't agree with it. If your a citizen then obviously these rights should apply to you, but how on earth should these rules apply to people who show up from another country uninvited and automatically receive same and equal treatment as citizens? I'm not refering to people who are allowed to come or stay and have green cards and are attempting to become citizens, I'm talking about the illegal that walks across the boarder today and automatically should receive these rights.

So you're in favor of opening people up to legal abuse and discrimination? You would really want to open that can of worms?

I really don't care how someone gets here, they should be allowed the same basic protections that everyone else has.

[Rainy Parade]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

What pisses me off is our federal tax dollars are helping out to pay for that.

i'm pissed that our federal dollars first paid to destroy iraq, and then paid to rebuild it.

why not rebuild New Orleans (and baltimore and detroit and cleveland and DC and...) first?

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by 2BIG2BSKINNY

By the way I was born here in the United Sates from parents born in Cuba and Colombia! It does not affect me directly but it does my family!

Totally understand. I'll apologize for my looking like a redneck idiot to you. lol. I honestly don't know what the answer is and I'm sure thats what the issue is with the feds. Better to put their heads in the sand and not see it then try to tackle it and piss off anyone.

I just don't see how its fair that we, you and I, being born here in America, have the same rights as the illegal who steps across the boarder two min. from now? I especially don't see how its fair that some individuals put their name on a list and actually wait the waiting period, which is like 10 yrs, and are allowed to come into the country legally have no different rights then the illegal who steps across the boarder illegally? What incentive is there to be a good immigrant and follow rules when the rules don't apply to everyone? I know many of legal immigrants who are pissed at the illegals.

On a side note do you care to share your oppinion or perhaps your parents oppinion?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

It already costs them 10.5 bill. to accomidate them. I guess they can expect the cost to rise. What pisses me off is our federal tax dollars are helping out to pay for that.

Well illegals are costing the tax payers a little over 300 BILLION a year.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Rainy Parade

i'm pissed that our federal dollars first paid to destroy iraq, and then paid to rebuild it.

why not rebuild New Orleans (and baltimore and detroit and cleveland and DC and...) first?

I realize this is completely off topic, but are you pissed off that our federal dollars first paid to destroy Germany (firebombing Dresden anyone) and Japan(Hiroshima/firebombing Tokyo) and then paid to rebuild it(40 years of NATO subsidies/SEATO ) how did those work out for the world and for us?
Last I checked we do send a ton of federal money to each of the cities you mentioned, plus every other one in the country.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Rainy Parade

i'm pissed that our federal dollars first paid to destroy iraq, and then paid to rebuild it.

why not rebuild New Orleans (and baltimore and detroit and cleveland and DC and...) first?

I'll second that. I know pulling out of Iraq would have caused us issues in the future. But if Iraq does not have money then they can find a way to pay us some other way. Hell when sanctions were put in place China and France continued trade for oil. I don't see why it would be a problem to be reimbursed in oil.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Rainy Parade

i'm pissed that our federal dollars first paid to destroy iraq, and then paid to rebuild it.

why not rebuild New Orleans (and baltimore and detroit and cleveland and DC and...) first?

And you have that right if thats the way you feel. Maybe you should call Obama and tell him its time to bring the troops home like he promised his supporters he would do.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I'll second that. I know pulling out of Iraq would have caused us issues in the future. But if Iraq does not have money then they can find a way to pay us some other way. Hell when sanctions were put in place China and France continued trade for oil. I don't see why it would be a problem to be reimbursed in oil.

I thought the war was over oil. I guess that was not the case after all.

[Hog1]

Until such time that we make it unattractive to come to this country illegally....more of the same.
Until such time the Fed has the balls to....get serious about closing our borders and make it unattractive to come here illegally....more of the same.
More lip service and snake oil...more of the same

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Until such time that we make it unattractive to come to this country illegally....more of the same.
Until such time the Fed has the balls to....get serious about closing our borders and make it unattractive to come here illegally....more of the same.
More lip service and snake oil...more of the same

You are correct but the feds won't do anything because they want their vote. All this law in AZ is going to do is drive the illegals to boarder states or maybe even deeper into other states.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

So you're in favor of opening people up to legal abuse and discrimination? You would really want to open that can of worms?

I really don't care how someone gets here, they should be allowed the same basic protections that everyone else has.

Yes. Basically your saying that some one who does not live here, has no ties to this country, has not vested in this government, should be able to step off a plane, step onto a beach, cross a boarder, or step off a boat and instantly they are given the same rights as you whom I presume are a citizen?

I'm not picking on one culture. I'm talking Russian, Chineese, African, Scottish, Irish, Canadian. I refering to all illegal immigrants. On a side note how would you feel having 15 to 20 people crossing a river onto your property every night (trespassing)? Maybe stealing your property occassionally? Maybe peeking into your house at night? Maybe stealing a chicken here and there to cook for food? maybe simply just causing your dog to bark between the hours of 1am and 5am waking you up every other night.

Thats not even speaking of the strain illegals are putting on hospitals. They don't have jobs or insurance so the hospitals treat them then have to right off the cost. Gues who pays that? we all do cause the Gov. reimburses the hospital for their cost.

How about when illegals for whatever reason are allowed to have loans for houses and when they can't pay they simply forclose and move on to the next home using a different name? Our banks are hurting due to this issue also. I can tell you I had 3-4 homes in this situation in my neighborhood.

These are just a few issues. There are a whole mess more. What happens the illegals when they become old and need more attention? ie; put in a nursing home, food stamps, retirment? Where will their retirement come from? They are not putting into social security cause they don't have a social security number or green card number.