New Orleans Saints/Washington Redskins: Bounty Hunters

[diehardskin2982]

"In a makeshift meeting room, with the whisper of evening traffic pouring in from the Beltway, we laid our bounties on opposing players."

little much IMO
Who was in this room? Did Greg say take this guy out we will give u x amount of dollars. That doesn't sound right.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

"In a makeshift meeting room, with the whisper of evening traffic pouring in from the Beltway, we laid our bounties on opposing players."

little much IMO
Who was in this room? Did Greg say take this guy out we will give u x amount of dollars. That doesn't sound right.

I think he said enough, more details will only open the can of worms even more.

The dirty details are better left said to the league only.

[diehardskin2982]

i agree, for me this is too much

[firstdown]

This could actually be a new cool concept to add to the excitment of football. Like hocky has players they send out to start a fights. Football teams have players they send out to take out other players.

[CrustyRedskin]

This is so over blown. I bet guys like George Allen, Bud Carson, and Jim Johnson are rolling over and :vomit:. While Buddy Ryan & Dick Lebeau are shaking their head.

[SmootSmack]

This is the full official statement from the league

A lengthy investigation by the NFL’s security department has disclosed that between 22 and 27 defensive players on the New Orleans Saints, as well as at least one assistant coach, maintained a “bounty” program funded primarily by players in violation of NFL rules during the 2009, 2010 and 2011 seasons, the NFL announced today.

The league’s investigation determined that this improper “Pay for Performance” program included “bounty” payments to players for inflicting injuries on opposing players that would result in them being removed from a game.

The findings – corroborated by multiple independent sources – have been presented to Commissioner Roger Goodell, who will determine the appropriate discipline for the violation.

“The payments here are particularly troubling because they involved not just payments for ‘performance,’ but also for injuring opposing players,” Commissioner Goodell said. “The bounty rule promotes two key elements of NFL football: player safety and competitive integrity.

“It is our responsibility to protect player safety and the integrity of our game, and this type of conduct will not be tolerated. We have made significant progress in changing the culture with respect to player safety and we are not going to relent. We have more work to do and we will do it.”

The players regularly contributed cash into a pool and received improper cash payments of two kinds from the pool based on their play in the previous week’s game. Payments were made for plays such as interceptions and fumble recoveries, but the program also included “bounty” payments for “cart-offs” (meaning that the opposing player was carried off the field) and “knockouts” (meaning that the opposing player was not able to return to the game).

The investigation showed that the total amount of funds in the pool may have reached $50,000 or more at its height during the 2009 playoffs. The program paid players $1,500 for a “knockout” and $1,000 for a “cart-off” with payouts doubling or tripling during the playoffs.

The investigation included the review of approximately 18,000 documents totaling more than 50,000 pages, interviews of a wide range of individuals and the use of outside forensic experts to verify the authenticity of key documents.

The NFL has a longstanding rule prohibiting “Non-Contract Bonuses.” Non-contract bonuses violate both the NFL Constitution and By-Laws and the Collective Bargaining Agreement. Clubs are advised every year of this rule in a memo from the commissioner. Citing Sections 9.1(C)(8), and 9.3(F) and (G) of the Constitution and By-Laws, the memo for the 2011 season stated:

“No bonus or award may directly or indirectly be offered, promised, announced, or paid to a player for his or his team’s performance against a particular team or opposing player or a particular group thereof. No bonuses or awards may be offered or paid for on field misconduct (for example, personal fouls to or injuries inflicted on opposing players).”

“Our investigation began in early 2010 when allegations were first made that Saints players had targeted opposing plyers, including Kurt Warner of the Cardinals and Brett Favre of the Vikings,” Commissioner Goodell said. “Our security department interviewed numerous players and other individuals. At the time, those interviewed denied that any such program existed and the player that made the allegation retracted his earlier assertions. As a result, the allegations could not be proven. We recently received significant and credible new information and the investigation was re-opened during the latter part of the 2011 season.”

The additional investigation established the following facts:

1. During the 2009, 2010 and 2011 seasons, the players and other participants involved used their own money to fund a “Pay for Performance” program. Players earned cash awards for plays such as interceptions or fumble recoveries. They also earned “bounty” payments for “cart-offs” and “knockouts.” All such payments violate league rules for non-contract bonuses.

2. Players were willing and enthusiastic participants in the program, contributing regularly and at times pledging large amounts. Between 22 and 27 defensive players contributed funds to the pool over the course of three NFL seasons. In some cases, the amounts pledged were both significant and directed against a specific opposing player.

3. The bounty program was administered by defensive coordinator Gregg Williams with the knowledge of other defensive coaches. Funds were contributed on occasion by Williams.

4. Saints owner Tom Benson gave immediate and full cooperation to the investigators. The evidence conclusively established that Mr. Benson was not aware of the bounty program. When informed earlier this year of the new information, Mr. Benson advised league staff that he had directed his general manager, Mickey Loomis, to ensure that any bounty program be discontinued immediately. The evidence showed that Mr. Loomis did not carry out Mr. Benson’s directions. Similarly, when the initial allegations were discussed with Mr. Loomis in 2010, he denied any knowledge of a bounty program and pledged that he would ensure that no such program was in place. There is no evidence that Mr. Loomis took any effective action to stop these practices.

5. Although head coach Sean Payton was not a direct participant in the funding or administration of the program, he was aware of the allegations, did not make any detailed inquiry or otherwise seek to learn the facts, and failed to stop the bounty program. He never instructed his assistant coaches or players that a bounty program was improper and could not continue.

6. There is no question that a bounty program violates long-standing league rules. Payments of this type – even for legitimate plays such as interceptions or fumble recoveries – are forbidden because they are inconsistent with the Collective Bargaining Agreement and well-accepted rules relating to NFL player contracts.

Commissioner Goodell has advised the Saints that he will hold further proceedings to determine the discipline to be assessed against individuals and the club. This will include conferring with the NFL Players Association and individual player leaders regarding appropriate discipline and remedial steps.

The discipline could include fines and suspensions and, in light of the competitive nature of the violation, forfeiture of draft choices. Any discipline may be appealed as provided for in the Constitution and By-Laws and Collective Bargaining Agreement. Any appeal would be heard and decided by the commissioner.

Commissioner Goodell also advised the Saints that he is retaining jurisdiction and reserving his authority to impose further discipline if additional information comes to his attention

[firstdown]

The investigation included the review of approximately 18,000 documents totaling more than 50,000 pages.

They should have goen paperless.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by firstdown

The investigation included the review of approximately 18,000 documents totaling more than 50,000 pages.

They should have goen paperless.

5 gigabytes of PDFs!! LOL.

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by CrustyRedskin

This is so over blown. I bet guys like George Allen, Bud Carson, and Jim Johnson are rolling over and :vomit:. While Buddy Ryan & Dick Lebeau are shaking their head.

While they may be doing that, what about the guys that can't walk anymore or have dementia from getting hit in the head too many times. Yeah there is a risk involved with playing football as there are risks in everything. But if we know there are things that can be done to make the game safer then why would we not. I just don't understand how people can use the excuse that, that's the way it used to be. We also used to drive cars that didn't have seat belts, now its a law in pretty much every state. Things change and we as a people evolve and adapt.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

"In a makeshift meeting room, with the whisper of evening traffic pouring in from the Beltway, we laid our bounties on opposing players."

little much IMO
Who was in this room? Did Greg say take this guy out we will give u x amount of dollars. That doesn't sound right.

That sounds like a ladies smut novel on the discount rack by the check out at the grocery store. Who talks like that?

[firstdown]

Brett Farve made sense for once. Funny I'm using a post from an article with a spelling error.

"I'm not pissed," Favre said. "It's football. I don't think anything less of those guys. I'm not going to make a big deal about it. In all honesty, there's a bounty of some kind on you on every play."

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by CrustyRedskin

This is so over blown. I bet guys like George Allen, Bud Carson, and Jim Johnson are rolling over and :vomit:. While Buddy Ryan & Dick Lebeau are shaking their head.

Very much over blown.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

You don't reward a player for trying to get someone carted off the field, that is not the culture of football. Not at any level

Players have been getting handouts for years, not for carting guys off the field but for things like...int's, forcing turnovers, most tackles, sacks, special teams hits and so on....this has gone on for years and it went on here when Gibbs 1 coached. Williams crossed the line if he wanted someone severly injured. But all these things I mentioned is not a big deal.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Players have been getting handouts for years, not for carting guys off the field but for things like...int's, forcing turnovers, most tackles, sacks, special teams hits and so on....this has gone on for years and it went on here when Gibbs 1 coached. Williams crossed the line if he wanted someone severly injured. But all these things I mentioned is not a big deal.

Well it's technically illegal (from a CBA/Salary Cap standpoint) but I agree that in the grand scheme rewarding someone for things like turnovers are not a big deal. But these bounties reportedly go beyond that.

[Chico23231]

Sports Radio Interviews » Blog Archive » Bill Romanowski Believes the Media is Blowing the NFL Bounty Situation Out of Proportion

heard Romo on the Rome show today. he made some good points, but man he comes across as a d-bag