Redskins, Cowboys could go “nuclear” over cap mess

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Well, yeah. Okay. I still say "So what"? Anti-competitive practices? Define please - and in your definition you are prohibited from using the words "salary cap" as there was no such thing in existence in 2010 nor was there any guarrantee that it would ever again exist.

blah blah blah ... NFL is simply trying to throw crap against the wall hoping something, anything will stick.

Anti competitve- incurring "those charges" in a current year when"those charges" are not accounted for in order to avoid "those charges" in a future year when they may be applied to "that thing".

Hey I didn't use the words salary cap or cap hit.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by redskinsman18

Just because the Cowboys and Redskins start firing bullets at the NFL doesn't neccessarily mean they will win or even get the sactions reduced because the NFL has bigger guns and more ammo.

We shall see. This is all a game of cat and mouse. Their betting the two owners will flinch first and buckle because all the other owners agreed with the punishment. So let's let it go to arbitration. Almost every other person can see that the AGREEMENT was technically illegal or against the law. It's just a shame 30 owners. Ant get off their high horse long enough to see or admit they broke the law. They think because they have have an agreement with the NFPLA they are safe. Well wake up owners cause you might get a rude awakening when it's pointed out no matter what the agreement you broke the law and might void the whole new CBA and be forced to pay hundreds of millions of dollars like another league was forced to do.

[ethat001]

Two questions:

1) Would we have any options if we lost this arbitration case? I suppose we could still go "nuclear" and sue the NFL for collusion, but it wouldn't make any sense to burn our own house down...

2) If we win, and piss off the NFL... What can they do to get back at us? Open up the bounty cases? I feel like this whole thing is like a kid calling the cops after his father beat him. The cops will go away, but the kid is stuck with the father for a lifetime..

[mooby]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

You pointed out the $15 mill from one team and $20 mill from another team. All I was pointing out was Dallas only gained $10 mill and that the punishments are not making sense. Kinda what you were saying or so I thought.

Oh, ok. It's all good then.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by ethat001

Two questions:

1) Would we have any options if we lost this arbitration case? I suppose we could still go "nuclear" and sue the NFL for collusion, but it wouldn't make any sense to burn our own house down...

I believe it has been reported that we filed a grievance based on the procedural aspects of the situation. I assume to maintain the right to pursue further avenues as need be based on the outcome of this procedural filing.

2) If we win, and piss off the NFL... What can they do to get back at us? Open up the bounty cases? I feel like this whole thing is like a kid calling the cops after his father beat him. The cops will go away, but the kid is stuck with the father for a lifetime..

$1000000 question

[Gtothearry]

The league has us hooked two ways as I mentioned earlier when others were arguing we were all cleared in the bounty case: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...IvcS_blog.html

[TheMalcolmConnection]

If they reopen the bounty case against us, how far are they going to go back? Buffalo?

I mean seriously when is there a statue of limitations? There has to be sketchy stuff that's been going on for years. If you start reaching that far back, you're going to open a HUGE can of worms.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I don't agree but it sounds like the nfl's argument is that any one contract was not illegal, BUT when taken in the totality of transactions by the team it showed an intent to engage in anticompetitve practices.

...but Julius Pepper's 30+ million salary for 2010 was completely legit?...lol



No.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

If they reopen the bounty case against us, how far are they going to go back? Buffalo?

I mean seriously when is there a statue of limitations? There has to be sketchy stuff that's been going on for years. If you start reaching that far back, you're going to open a HUGE can of worms.

All Goodell needs to do is send the message to the NFL that he did with his punishment with the Saints organization. That's all he needs to do. From that point, what's done is done. You have to have faith that the punishment is a loud and clear enough message to the other teams. From there, move on.

Getting back to the cap penalties, I'm not surprised the other 30 teams voted in favor of the sanctions. Why wouldn't they? They are getting a competitive edge in doing so. I have no idea what's going to happen, but I think things are going to get real ugly, real soon between the Redskins, Cowboys, and the NFL.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

...but Julius Pepper's 30+ million salary for 2010 was completely legit?...lol



No.

My understanding is that the figures being put out on Peppers is wrong, and that ultimately, his cap hit was like 20M each year including the uncapped year.


Regardless, the NFL is arguing pattern of behavior, not individual contract status. It's still a bogus claim, but it may be harder to disprove than simply saying well you approved them and that's that.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

All Goodell needs to do is send the message to the NFL that he did with his punishment with the Saints organization. That's all he needs to do. From that point, what's done is done. You have to have faith that the punishment is a loud and clear enough message to the other teams. From there, move on.

Getting back to the cap penalties, I'm not surprised the other 30 teams voted in favor of the sanctions. Why wouldn't they? They are getting a competitive edge in doing so. I have no idea what's going to happen, but I think things are going to get real ugly, real soon between the Redskins, Cowboys, and the NFL.

I don't think there is proof that 30 teams voted in favor, only that the move was upheld. And even that, in Goodell's press conference yesterday, while refusing to answer most questions, it seemed like he made a slip of the tongue where he said that no vote occurred (which contradicts the tweet posted earlier). I don't think it really matters, as the matter has been filed to the special master, and both sides will have to make their cases there. Since it doesn't sound like a backroom deal is going to get done, I think we have to accept that we will be stuck with the lowered cap at least for this off season.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

My understanding is that the figures being put out on Peppers is wrong, and that ultimately, his cap hit was like 20M each year including the uncapped year.


Regardless, the NFL is arguing pattern of behavior, not individual contract status. It's still a bogus claim, but it may be harder to disprove than simply saying well you approved them and that's that.

His cap year was at 19 million the year before with the Panthers, and only because it was a one year "Franchise" deal. Wasn't like it's been 19 mil per year for years. His 30+ million dollar cap figure for 2010 was definitely them dumping it into the uncapped year.

There were many teams that did this. It's hypocrisy to say the least.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

His cap year was at 19 million the year before with the Panthers, and only because it was a one year "Franchise" deal. Wasn't like it's been 19 mil per year for years. His 30+ million dollar cap figure for 2010 was definitely them dumping it into the uncapped year.

There were many teams that did this. It's hypocrisy to say the least.

It is hypocrisy, I agree. But Peppers numbers don't prove it:

Originally Posted by AdamJT13-cowboyszone

It was not. Some reports about Peppers' contract structure were completely wrong.

These were Peppers' cap numbers when he signed --

2010 = $14,783,333
2011 = $12,783,333
2012 = $10,283,333
2013 = $14,283,333
2014 = $15,283,333
2015 = $17,583,335

that guy is their equivalent of our Schneed/CC and is very solid on his numbers.

I am not arguing the cap hit is bogus, anyone with half a wit can figure that out (except G1, who does have half a wit, just chooses not to use it on this issue), simply that Peppers contract numbers from Sporttrac were just wrong.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

It is hypocrisy, I agree. But Peppers numbers don't prove it:


that guy is there equivalent of our Schneed/CC and is very solid on his numbers.

I am not arguing the cap hit is bogus, anyone with half a wit can figure that out (except G1, who does have half a wit, just chooses not to use it on this issue), simply that Peppers contract numbers from Sporttrac were just wrong.

Gotcha. If those are the actual numbers then I take back what I said in regards to the Bears.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I don't think there is proof that 30 teams voted in favor, only that the move was upheld. And even that, in Goodell's press conference yesterday, while refusing to answer most questions, it seemed like he made a slip of the tongue where he said that no vote occurred (which contradicts the tweet posted earlier). I don't think it really matters, as the matter has been filed to the special master, and both sides will have to make their cases there. Since it doesn't sound like a backroom deal is going to get done, I think we have to accept that we will be stuck with the lowered cap at least for this off season.

I agree. Which, I'll be just fine if we have to deal with the lower cap this offseason, as long as they make it right next season. The biggest thing is just righting the wrong that has happened.