The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Its just funny how to me Chip Kelley destroyed the Eagles and some how they are in the SB a few years later. Yet we keep just spinning like a top in average and below average range. Frustrating.

Their GM deserves a lot of credit...he was very aggressive in moves with multiple trades with Miami, Buffalo and Baltimore. And that doesn't mention the Wentz move.

We've been so snake bitten by prior trades that even the suggestion will bring criticism...but if you actually had competence in the front office it can be a different story.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Yep which is why we as fans get so tired of the BS, finally have a QB that can put up top 10 results and he's about to walk out the door. So now what? We start from scratch again and HOPE we get lucky with the QB/HC combo again, or... we will go back to JZ/JC and be 6-10 for the next 4 years

Reality bites.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Their GM deserves a lot of credit...he was very aggressive in moves with multiple trades with Miami, Buffalo and Baltimore. And that doesn't mention the Wentz move.

We've been so snake bitten by prior trades that even the suggestion will bring criticism...but if you actually had competence in the front office it can be a different story.

Yeah every move that Roseman made has worked out. It's frustrating to see theirs all pan out and ours all blow up in our face.

That said, the Eagles have a bit of a mortgaged future, when you really look at it. This year they have a 1st rounder, 2 4ths, 2 5ths, and a 6th. That's it. Only 6 picks, and only one in the first 3 rounds. So their ability to draft players to replace some aging vets or guys that leave in free agency is diminished.

So I'm hoping that as Jason Peters and Jason Kelce age they'll struggle to replace them cheaply. They'll hopefully find themselves needing to get a center and a tackle in free agency, thus really putting them in a cap bind once Wentz reaches the point where he needs to be resigned. And his contract will blow the doors off.

We just have to keep them from winning the SB over the next three years, somehow someway, and then I think they'll find themselves in the same position as the Seahawks are right now. Still in good shape because of the QB, but life is still a struggle at other positions.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Yep which is why we as fans get so tired of the BS, finally have a QB that can put up top 10 results and he's about to walk out the door. So now what? We start from scratch again and HOPE we get lucky with the QB/HC combo again, or... we will go back to JZ/JC and be 6-10 for the next 4 years

Not to me a smart ass but with KC we were 7 and 9 this year, its not like we are flying high with KC.

[WillH]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

That's a fair observation, and I agree they've been morons, but that's ultimately unhelpful on formulating the best go-forward path from here.

Hopefully through this thought exercise it's now apparent to everyone that trading Cousins somehow is extraordinarily unlikely. Trying to put yourself in position to do so (applying the tag) puts you at enormous risk. At worst, he signs the $34M deal and the money's guaranteed, and you're back in this position next year. At best, he plays along and agrees to help you find a trade partner, but does so during the first few weeks of free agency, meantime occupying $34M of your cap space which you then can't use in free agency.

You have to have it resolved by March 6 or let him go. That's our reality.

No need to condescend. I understand the tag situations, we just disagree on the likelihood. I concede that your point about flexibility in free agency is a good one, but if you're willing to concede that there exists to be a potential for Cousins to work with the team on a trade than I think this is still a very relevant discussion.

In your best case scenario you are suggesting that we wouldn't be able to really get who we want unless things are settled by the opening of free agency. I would suggest that this may not be as accurate as you intuit. In recent free agency periods we were not extremely active with high priced players out of the gate, most of our higher priced acquisitions came late in free agency. Why would this change, and would you really want it to?

I also think it is worth consideration whether or not sacrificing an active free agency this year is worth attempting to find compensation for our best asset. An additional 1st round pick this year is likely a much better value than 34mil worth of free agents, all things considered.

Although yours is a good argument worth consideration it is not a flawless one, and doesn't just end the relevance of the discussion.



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[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Its just funny how to me Chip Kelley destroyed the Eagles and some how they are in the SB a few years later. Yet we keep just spinning like a top in average and below average range. Frustrating.

The Eagles have really made some moves that have worked out well. Obviously Wentz is the major one, but they've also hit on some of their free agents too. For instance, they signed Jeffrey, we signed Pryor. They traded for Jernigan, put him in the 4-3 and he's been a stud for them. We sign two JAG's and overpaid for both. They got Swartz, we got Manusky.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Not to me a smart ass but with KC we were 7 and 9 this year, its not like we are flying high with KC.

True but would you rather have a bad QB and be boring or have a guy that can at least put up points and big plays?

Side note.

Over the last 3 years Kirk is 2nd behind Brees in QBR from the pocket

From PFF

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

True but would you rather have a bad QB and be boring or have a guy that can at least put up points and big plays?

Side note.

Over the last 3 years Kirk is 2nd behind Brees in QBR from the pocket

From PFF

I rather just win some football games.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by mredskins

I rather just win some football games.

fair

[skinsfaninok]

Kirk Cousins wants to win, and find the right team he can help win – ProFootballTalk

More of the same stuff..

"we might see u on another team next yr" simms

"we might" kc

why cant Kirk just say " I'm not going anywhere" Like brees did....


Broncos beat writer Cecil Lammey on Denver pursuit of Kirk Cousins: "It sounds like the Washington #Redskins will not let Kirk Cousins go without getting something for him in return. The buzz is that Washington will transition tag Cousins then put him on the trade block."

[MTK]

Brees is in a bit of a different situation

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Not to me a smart ass but with KC we were 7 and 9 this year, its not like we are flying high with KC.

It is not like the front office went out of the way to surround him with talented help either. While Philly was getting guys like Blount and Ajayi, and retaining Jeffery and Smith. Washington let two 1000 yard receivers walk and did little to provide depth behind Reed.

Just sayin' cannot put 7-9 on KC. He's a big reason they got the 7.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Yep which is why we as fans get so tired of the BS, finally have a QB that can put up top 10 results and he's about to walk out the door. So now what? We start from scratch again and HOPE we get lucky with the QB/HC combo again, or... we will go back to JZ/JC and be 6-10 for the next 4 years

This. Whenever we're mediocre, we're never 1 or 2 win, absolute bottom of the barrel trash that necessitates having a fire sale. We're just mediocre enough to stay the course. Bet if Kirk leaves, we get an average replacement who's just good enough to get us an average record. The cycle will continue.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by mooby

This. Whenever we're mediocre, we're never 1 or 2 win, absolute bottom of the barrel trash that necessitates having a fire sale. We're just mediocre enough to stay the course. Bet if Kirk leaves, we get an average replacement who's just good enough to get us an average record. The cycle will continue.

It's like Dallas fans finally realizing how good Tony was, now they are stuck with a Jason Campbell unless something drastically happens and he becomes Warren Moon... They got lucky with Zeke and that Line to cover it up last yr, this yr his true colors showed.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

It's like Dallas fans finally realizing how good Tony was, now they are stuck with a Jason Campbell unless something drastically happens and he becomes Warren Moon... They got lucky with Zeke and that Line to cover it up last yr, this yr his true colors showed.

It will be interesting to see how Dallas fares this season, Zeke and the line did a great job of taking pressure off Dak two years ago. It's a lot easier to pass when defenses have to be commit to stopping the run.