Time to bench Brunell? (Mega Man Merge)

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by Buster

Elway and Montana stopped running a lot later in their careers too, were they trash too?

you really want to compare Montana and Elway with Brunell? really?

cuz you just compared him to Simms, Plummer, Collins and Frye.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Buster

You sure? Mark has thrown only 1 INT this year.

and just how many games has he won? how many TDs has he thrown? oh yeah, that's right, zero.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by illdefined

you really want to compare Montana and Elway with Brunell? really?

cuz you just compared him to Simms, Plummer, Collins and Frye.

I'm not comparing him to anyone...just making the point that QBs' games change over time. You want him to keep running like he's a Washington Husky but he's changed his game from learning more AND to compensate for his age, as EVERY QB has had to do...unless they play like statues from day 1 like Bledsoe.

He can't run as well as he used to but he's also better in other areas of his game, like decision-making. In 1996, he had 19 TDs and 20 INTs. in 2005, he had 23 TDs and only 10 INTs. Also, his sacks have gone down dramatically as his career has progressed. Even when he could run, he was sacked MORE. Why? Better decisions.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by That Guy

and just how many games has he won?

This isn't baseball. We don't give the Win to one player (pitcher).

Brunell isn't the sole reason for our losses.

[RiggoRules]

I'm not convinced that even if defenses put 8 in the box and CBs in man on every single play that our passing game will improve.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by Buster

I'm not comparing him to anyone...just making the point that QBs' games change over time. You want him to keep running like he's a Washington Husky but he's changed his game from learning more AND to compensate for his age, as EVERY QB has had to do...unless they play like statues from day 1 like Bledsoe.

He can't run as well as he used to but he's also better in other areas of his game, like decision-making. In 1996, he had 19 TDs and 20 INTs. in 2005, he had 23 TDs and only 10 INTs. Also, his sacks have gone down dramatically as his career has progressed. Even when he could run, he was sacked MORE. Why? Better decisions.

or maybe because of Clinton Portis. which many seem to say.

only place i expect and want Brunell running to now is Jason Campbell's training sessions.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by VTSkins897

sometimes they seemed open sure. but you're an idiot if you think that just because a team blitzes or there's pressure on the QB that you can't complete a pass.

there are adjustments to be made and i don't think brunell has the ability to make quick, strong throws based on what i've seen. the game still requires that someone step up and make some plays and that has to start with the QB, especially until CP gets back.

VT you made a very astute point, I broke the game down the last 2 weeks to see where the problem lies and that was a big factor, Brunells inability to hang in the pocket and check down off his primary and have enough arm strength to snap off a throw, he can winde up and throw a deep ball but he needs a big pocket and a lot of time, he's like an outfielder who has to winde up to make a big throw when he needs to be more like a pitcher throwing from a stretch winde up.

[GoSkins!]

I am not ready to get off the Brunnel bandwagon yet. I think that the coaches made a mistake by not playing the first string offense more and implementing more of the system during preseason. This offense is not the perfect fit for Brunnel, IMHO, so he should have been kept in games longer. I thought it would take 4 games to get the system down. That said, if we can't beat the Texans, we are in big trouble. Lets re-evaluate at halftime.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Buster

Elway and Montana stopped running a lot later in their careers too, were they trash too?

Big difference both of those QB's where very good pocket passers who scrambled when need be, contrary Brunell was never a great pocket passer he was more of a playmaker, so now he has to become a pocket passer because the legs are gone and he can't do it, couple that with his absolute fear of being touched and well we can see the results.

[illdefined]

let me be the first to say, if Brunell is 1/5th old Montana or Elway, we should CRUSH the Texans. and if Portis (the reason Brunell can throw far and over the middle apparently) is playing, we should win by 100pts.

[redskinsfanatic]

kinda hard for the man to stay in the pocket when the opposing team's defense is running by the offensive line like elephants running through birdcages is'nt it???brunnell is not the problem,the defense and the offensive lines are!!!!

[724Skinsfan]

Perhaps polls should be opened during the middle of the week after a cooling off period. I'm starting to believe Brunell should get another shot through the Jacksonville game. That gives the 'Skins Offense a quarter of the season to get their act together to field a playoff team. After that if we are no further along then we need to look to the future.

[Riggo44]

Originally Posted by redskinsfanatic

kinda hard for the man to stay in the pocket when the opposing team's defense is running by the offensive line like elephants running through birdcages is'nt it???brunnell is not the problem,the defense and the offensive lines are!!!!

Yea I agree. But old #8 sure isn't helping anything! If he dosn't get it done this week I would say in fine Romen fashion thumbs down for Him.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Brunell is the Chuck Knoblauch of QB's. He is literally afraid to throw the ball.

At least he will get us a good draft pick (assuming that it doesn't go to Denver).

[MTK]

I'm just about done with this topic for this week, but my last word is this...

-A healthy Portis will help out, if the line can start opening some holes. The OL is really underperforming thus far and has been a big disappointment.

-I still think Brunell can be a quality QB in this system if supported by a strong running game and he's well protected. Brunell is the kind of QB who's play mirrors that of the entire offense. When the running game and protection stinks, he's going to stink. He's just not the kind of QB that can do it by himself.