NFL taking away Redskins cap space

Meks · 03-12-2012, 11:44 PM

The.Nonsense Frontrunner League is horse shit and goodell can kiss my ass, as well as I the rest of the crybaby owners

Daseal · 03-12-2012, 11:49 PM

I'm convinced this is a shrewd move by the NFL to improve future player safety. A few more moves like this and they'll start losing enough fans to keep this league going.

skinsfaninok · 03-12-2012, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Wow congrats man. You are one determined skins fan coming back on this site right after having a kid!

Lol yeah man I love my skins unfortunately for the wife maybe too much

And thanks bro

Meks · 03-13-2012, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Lol yeah man I love my skins unfortunately for the wife maybe too much

And thanks bro

Good for u man, congrats.

FRPLG · 03-13-2012, 12:11 AM

I find it hard to get too mad at Godell. He works for the owners if enough of them say jump he has to say "how high?"

The league had to know that neither Snyder or Jones were going to just bend over. But Rog had to try to do somwthing to appease his bosses.

mooby · 03-13-2012, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by biffle

I wouldn't have thought so either, but have you been following the news this afternoon?

No I haven't been following the news, what's going on?

Just because the NFL attempted to punish the Redskins for breaking an unwritten rule doesn't mean the punishment will stand up in court.

biffle · 03-13-2012, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by mooby

No I haven't been following the news, what's going on?

Just because the NFL attempted to punish the Redskins for breaking an unwritten rule doesn't mean the punishment will stand up in court.

No it doesn't. And hopefully it won't.

But I was just making a joke because someone seemed to mock the idea of doing something about teams that were below the salary floor in 2010 because 'you can't just go back and apply rules retroactively' or whatever. Sorry the attempt at levity was apparently not up to your standards.

Giantone · 03-13-2012, 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by mooby

No I haven't been following the news, what's going on?

Just because the NFL attempted to punish the Redskins for breaking an unwritten rule doesn't mean the punishment will stand up in court.

LOL.....righttttttt.

GoSkins! · 03-13-2012, 05:50 AM

Well, this sucks, but I don't think that it will have a tremendous impact on us. The reality is that we did a smart thing during the uncapped year and I think we actually did create a competitive advantage, at least as it applies to the salary cap over the long term.

I read that the team can split it up over the next two years any way they see fit. If the team wants to, they can look at next years cap and see that we only have 81 mil on the books. That changes to 76 mil now with the release of Atogwe and Sellers. Moss, Hall, and Cooley could be released to gain another 4, 8, and 4 mil respectively. I expect there will at least be some serious restructuring instead, but if they had to release them, we would be at ~60mil on the books.

The point I'm making is that we can have a plan in place to eat a small piece of the 36 mil penalty this year while using the space to structure free agent contracts so that we could adsorb most of it next year if we had to by releasing (or seriously restructuring) the mentioned players. Once that plan is in place, I'd team with the other penalized team(s), point out the inequity in the decision (like with the Bears) and start an all out fight with the league to get the penalty reduced. I don't see the league putting this out there and then backing off completely but there may be a reason we aren't seeing the penalty amounts on the NFL network ticker tape.

So, basically I see this as a sucky thing to happen to the Skins, but it is something that we are in a good place to absorb, something we can push out and something we can fight specifically because of the 2010 restructures during the uncapped year.

skinsfaninok · 03-13-2012, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Meks

Good for u man, congrats.

Thanks man

mooby · 03-13-2012, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

OK been out for a few( new baby boy) so what's the latest on this cap crap?

Congrats!

FRPLG · 03-13-2012, 12:28 AM

I think Tripp is right. The more I have thought about it the more the litigation route seems useless other than perhaps some type of temporary injunction.

The problem is this. The league can do whatever it wants internally to the degree that it doesn't impair the unionized players to lose money. Speaking legally. If they want to enact wonky salary cap rules that distributes cap space proportional to record they can do that as long as it doesn't hurt the players' earning power. That type of major move would certainly get the NFLPA up in arms and a protracted legal battle might ensue but the players wouldn't definitely win..they only might win. Additionally if they want to enact in-game rules to favor certain teams they can do that too. None of it has to be "fair" but it's their league..they make the rules (or, more accurately, make up the rules as they go). What the league has done is patently unfair in philosophical sense but not really so in any type of legally enforceable sense.

On one hand the league just came out a labor dispute in which they essentially argued that the NFL is one big company and not 32 individual teams working together in a collusive manner. Speaking from a business standpoint this makes total sense. On the other hand when it comes to on-field competitiveness the teams clearly are not one unit but separate in every way. Competing for cap-space is a direct on-field issue while competing for real business dollars is a business issue.

The salary cap bridges the two worlds. Business and on-field competitiveness

WilbursHomie · 03-13-2012, 12:28 AM

I've always said the off season is the regular season for a Skins fan. So much media coverage and FA isn't even here yet. Touché Dan Snyder. Looking forward to the next few months until kick off and ESPN forgets we exist again. FML.

FRPLG · 03-13-2012, 12:42 AM

I say we go about FA exactly to plan prior to this debacle...file a motion for temp injunction...gather as many troops as possible... and go to the owners meetings and start dropping bombs. The two most valuable (money-wise) teams plus I am sure a few others that have to be a little miffed about this can probably get this straightened back out.

I think a fair solution is this. Any team that dumped any money into 2010 gets punished uniformly. That money goes to the teams that didn't. If there are too many that did the dumping then forget it and move on. Oh and make some adjustments for what players would have earned anyways in 2010 and allow the docked cap space to be spread over a more reasonable 5 years. Any owners who want to bitch and moan...Jerry and Dan can tell 'em to eff themselves, they can buy their team and fold it (that last part was a little poetic license and completely unreasonable I know)

mooby · 03-13-2012, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by mbedner3420

That's entirely useless to use given that free agency starts tomorrow...

Not really. We have the option of pushing the entire penalty back to 2013, or paying it however we see fit. If we don't pay any of it now and continue forward as planned, and jerr-Dan raise hell at the owners meetings and get the penalty reduced, we'll probably incur some form of penalty but hopefully nowhere near as significant as this one.

03-12-2012, 11:44 PM	#1
Meks Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Jersey Age: 40 Posts: 5,928	Re: NFL taking away Redskins cap space The.Nonsense Frontrunner League is horse shit and goodell can kiss my ass, as well as I the rest of the crybaby owners __________________ R.I.P #21SEAN TAYLOR

03-12-2012, 11:49 PM	#2
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 8,341	Re: NFL taking away Redskins cap space I'm convinced this is a shrewd move by the NFL to improve future player safety. A few more moves like this and they'll start losing enough fans to keep this league going. __________________ Best. Player. Available. Last edited by Daseal; 03-12-2012 at 11:52 PM.

03-13-2012, 12:11 AM	#5
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 47 Posts: 10,164	Re: NFL taking away Redskins cap space I find it hard to get too mad at Godell. He works for the owners if enough of them say jump he has to say "how high?" The league had to know that neither Snyder or Jones were going to just bend over. But Rog had to try to do somwthing to appease his bosses. Last edited by FRPLG; 03-13-2012 at 12:14 AM.

03-13-2012, 05:50 AM	#9
GoSkins! The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Yorktown, Va Age: 57 Posts: 1,587	Re: NFL taking away Redskins cap space Well, this sucks, but I don't think that it will have a tremendous impact on us. The reality is that we did a smart thing during the uncapped year and I think we actually did create a competitive advantage, at least as it applies to the salary cap over the long term. I read that the team can split it up over the next two years any way they see fit. If the team wants to, they can look at next years cap and see that we only have 81 mil on the books. That changes to 76 mil now with the release of Atogwe and Sellers. Moss, Hall, and Cooley could be released to gain another 4, 8, and 4 mil respectively. I expect there will at least be some serious restructuring instead, but if they had to release them, we would be at ~60mil on the books. The point I'm making is that we can have a plan in place to eat a small piece of the 36 mil penalty this year while using the space to structure free agent contracts so that we could adsorb most of it next year if we had to by releasing (or seriously restructuring) the mentioned players. Once that plan is in place, I'd team with the other penalized team(s), point out the inequity in the decision (like with the Bears) and start an all out fight with the league to get the penalty reduced. I don't see the league putting this out there and then backing off completely but there may be a reason we aren't seeing the penalty amounts on the NFL network ticker tape. So, basically I see this as a sucky thing to happen to the Skins, but it is something that we are in a good place to absorb, something we can push out and something we can fight specifically because of the 2010 restructures during the uncapped year. __________________ Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts. A. Einstien Last edited by GoSkins!; 03-13-2012 at 05:53 AM.

03-13-2012, 12:28 AM	#12
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 47 Posts: 10,164	Re: NFL taking away Redskins cap space I think Tripp is right. The more I have thought about it the more the litigation route seems useless other than perhaps some type of temporary injunction. The problem is this. The league can do whatever it wants internally to the degree that it doesn't impair the unionized players to lose money. Speaking legally. If they want to enact wonky salary cap rules that distributes cap space proportional to record they can do that as long as it doesn't hurt the players' earning power. That type of major move would certainly get the NFLPA up in arms and a protracted legal battle might ensue but the players wouldn't definitely win..they only might win. Additionally if they want to enact in-game rules to favor certain teams they can do that too. None of it has to be "fair" but it's their league..they make the rules (or, more accurately, make up the rules as they go). What the league has done is patently unfair in philosophical sense but not really so in any type of legally enforceable sense. On one hand the league just came out a labor dispute in which they essentially argued that the NFL is one big company and not 32 individual teams working together in a collusive manner. Speaking from a business standpoint this makes total sense. On the other hand when it comes to on-field competitiveness the teams clearly are not one unit but separate in every way. Competing for cap-space is a direct on-field issue while competing for real business dollars is a business issue. The salary cap bridges the two worlds. Business and on-field competitiveness

03-13-2012, 12:28 AM	#13
WilbursHomie Special Teams Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 319	I've always said the off season is the regular season for a Skins fan. So much media coverage and FA isn't even here yet. Touché Dan Snyder. Looking forward to the next few months until kick off and ESPN forgets we exist again. FML.

03-13-2012, 12:42 AM	#14
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 47 Posts: 10,164	Re: NFL taking away Redskins cap space I say we go about FA exactly to plan prior to this debacle...file a motion for temp injunction...gather as many troops as possible... and go to the owners meetings and start dropping bombs. The two most valuable (money-wise) teams plus I am sure a few others that have to be a little miffed about this can probably get this straightened back out. I think a fair solution is this. Any team that dumped any money into 2010 gets punished uniformly. That money goes to the teams that didn't. If there are too many that did the dumping then forget it and move on. Oh and make some adjustments for what players would have earned anyways in 2010 and allow the docked cap space to be spread over a more reasonable 5 years. Any owners who want to bitch and moan...Jerry and Dan can tell 'em to eff themselves, they can buy their team and fold it (that last part was a little poetic license and completely unreasonable I know)

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