Will Arrington take a pay cut? (MERGED)

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

He's got a lot of talent, I just don't think you can count on the guy. He's not dependable. He'll say one thing, and do another. He'll overpursue and won't be where you need him to be. I think that's the quality he lacks most: dependability. And a superstar on D, making a ton of money, needs to be dependable at the very least.

I'm sick of people making comments like "he overpursues, is too aggressive, and isn't where he's supposes to be" like all the problems with the defense are LaVars fault. If every player were where they supposed to be 100% of the time, then no opponent would score any points against Washington. When was the last time they blanked somebody?

But realistically, LaVar is done as a Redskin. I've said this before; when has the Washington front office ever cared about taking a huge cat hit? And even if he was willing to restructure, he would still be gone. Just ask Stephen Davis, Champ Bailey, Fred Smoot, Antonio Pierce, and eventually, Patrick Ramsey. Even further down the road, it's going to happen to Samuels, Portis, and Taylor once they're all used up, and most of you will hate on them too. That's how we do it in Washington.

[diehardskin2982]

it sucks but your right southpaw, its the old redskins way. I think Gibbs is trying to change that though

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

I'm sick of people making comments like "he overpursues, is too aggressive, and isn't where he's supposes to be" like all the problems with the defense are LaVars fault. If every player were where they supposed to be 100% of the time, then no opponent would score any points against Washington. When was the last time they blanked somebody?

But realistically, LaVar is done as a Redskin. I've said this before; when has the Washington front office ever cared about taking a huge cat hit? And even if he was willing to restructure, he would still be gone. Just ask Stephen Davis, Champ Bailey, Fred Smoot, Antonio Pierce, and eventually, Patrick Ramsey. Even further down the road, it's going to happen to Samuels, Portis, and Taylor once they're all used up, and most of you will hate on them too. That's how we do it in Washington.

The logic of the first paragraph makes zero sense at all. Not all the problems of the D are Lavar's fault. The bottom line is that playing him means the risk of letting up a big play is too high to justify his massive contract. The guy is taken out on 3rd downs for crying out loud, the down in which the offense is most likely to drop back and pass, playing right into Lavar's supposed strength. Supposedly, he's a great pass rusher, but Williams won't even put him on the field to use that talent. Doesn't that tell you volumes about how Lavar can't be trusted??

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

The logic of the first paragraph makes zero sense at all. Not all the problems of the D are Lavar's fault. The bottom line is that playing him means the risk of letting up a big play is too high to justify his massive contract. The guy is taken out on 3rd downs for crying out loud, the down in which the offense is most likely to drop back and pass, playing right into Lavar's supposed strength. Supposedly, he's a great pass rusher, but Williams won't even put him on the field to use that talent. Doesn't that tell you volumes about how Lavar can't be trusted??

Makes no sense? So all of those times that LaVar is out on third down, no big plays occur? Actually, those are the exact times that the big plays tend to happen. If LaVar is such a liability when he's on the field, who's having the finger pointed at them when they give up a big play with him off the field? Who was to blame when when it was 3rd and 2, Maurice Morris got the ball and ran right at Warrick Holdman, who got blocked out of his shoes? Who was to blame on the 3rd and short at the end of the game, when Mac Strong got the longest run of his career, running on the beloved Marcus Washingtons' side?

All of this is a moot point anyway, since LaVar is gone before next season. I'm just tired of LaVar being the only person having a finger pointed at him for giving up a big play, when they all do it.

[gusbus]

You can't tell me 10 tackles, 1 pick, and 1 forced fumble in the TB game and then knocking the NFL MVP out is due to being a bad player. LA is an incredible athlete and also you don't hear about him in the papers for beating his wife, driving drunk or smoking a little mj. He has been a great redskin and should remain a skin b/c he can still help this team win.

All that being said I think he is done. He isn't going to be traded b/c teams know how big of a cap hit he is and what type of bonus he is due. Teams will wait to see if he is dropped and then try to pick him up for cheaper and not get rid a playmaker or draft slot.

Ramsey on the other hand will probably get traded for some 3rd round pick. Like someone said their are a lot of teams (NO - his home team, Detroit - quality around him, Oakland - again decent talent) with changes being made that may take him.Then they will package their two 3rd round picks to move up some how.

[Skins fan 44]

I would think Lavar would have to approve a trade. If he means what he says about only playing for the Skins and retire if not then we will have to cut him. Maybe just maybe he might take a cut in pay. I mean if Joe Gibbs comes up to you and ask (sweet talks) to take a pay cut and all, I think he would stay.

[D'BOYZ]

Originally Posted by BigSKINBauer

Lavar still has trade value in my eyes. His and Randy Moss's contracts are very very similiar. I mean it could be a straight swap. Randy didn't work for them. We may package Lavar and ramsey to our favorite trading team the Jets but i would want offense from them. I don't wanna trade anyone for anyone on Defense. I would love a dominant TE but i think that it wouldn't happen. We need to pick up a DE through FA or the draft. I still think lavar would be great at DE but it seems everyone thinks that bridge is burned

I'm sorry but neither randy or Porter are going anywhere they have huge signing bonus last year the cap hit its really high Raiders can' afford it.

I don't know what would be the cap hit for Lavar but if he doesn't restructure his contract I see him getting cut no team will make a trade if they know they're going to cut him or you will get an average player for taht trade

[irish]

LA wont restructure and the team takes a huge cap hit if he stays or goes (and this team could care less about cap hits). LA's gone to whoever will pay him (I dont blame him). He was good here but he could have been so much better.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

Just ask Stephen Davis, Champ Bailey, Fred Smoot, Antonio Pierce, and eventually, Patrick Ramsey.

Not really a fair list considering that Davis was washed up (sorry, but the fact that Carolina needs 4 startable RB's on the roster is proof that Davis just can't play anymore), and Bailey got us Portis.

Smoot and Pierce were players I wish we could have kept but considering the difficulties both have faced this season (one couldn't stay out of trouble off the field, the other had a hard time staying on it), I don't feel that we got burned.

Ramsey? *Shrug*. My feeling on Ramsey has always been that he's not as bad as some people make him out to be, but he's nothing special. Maybe he goes somewhere else and becomes the next Trent Green and we kick ourselves for not sticking with him. But I'll wager there's a lot more chance he goes somewhere else and turns into the next Heath Shuler.

As for Lavar, he is done here. Lavar likes to think he is smarter than everyone else, and all this talk about how much he loves it here is designed to get the fans on his side and (he thinks) improve his leverage. He's played well in several games this year, but I think it was too little, too late, and this IS a business. He simply isn't worth the amount of money he's due for what we're getting out of him.

[JWsleep]

Look--if it's 7 mil to keep him and 12 mil to cut him, then the math is clear--he's back. I agree with D'boyz that a trade is unlikely. And I agree with the sentiment that Gibbs wants to keep the squad intact--Lavar, for all his foibles, is a leader with the players, IMO. (Plus, I like Lavar, even if he is underacheiving--though see that recently linked Doc Walker column where Doc argued that Lavar is still recovering from injury, and next year he'll look much better.)

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by JWsleep

Look--if it's 7 mil to keep him and 12 mil to cut him, then the math is clear--he's back. I agree with D'boyz that a trade is unlikely. And I agree with the sentiment that Gibbs wants to keep the squad intact--Lavar, for all his foibles, is a leader with the players, IMO. (Plus, I like Lavar, even if he is underacheiving--though see that recently linked Doc Walker column where Doc argued that Lavar is still recovering from injury, and next year he'll look much better.)

I posted this in the Salary Cap thread, but it's relevant here too: Here's the story on Lavar:

He's going to count $12 million against the cap if he stays on the team next year and his contract is not modified.

How a player leaves your team, whether by getting cut or by getting traded, it does not change the cap situation. The date on which he leaves the team does change things.

If he is cut or traded before June 1, we will carry $12.8 million in Dead Money in 2006. Meaning his cap hit for 2006 would go up $0.8 million from it's current position. And he wouldn't even be on the team. So there's no way this would happen.

If he is cut or traded after June 1, we will carry about $5 million in Dead Money in 2006, saving us about $7 million from his current cap number of $12 million. The negative side of that is we'd carry $7 million in dead money in 2007.

It's very possible Lavar could stay and change his $6.5 million roster bonus into a signing bonus. This would save us about $5 million or so in 2006. But it will be interesting to see if GW wants him around, or if he elects to trade him and get something in return.

[SkinsLB5607]

Trade Arrington for TO and a bag of potato chips


No Seriously if they trade 4 Owens, eventhough he has no character, then we couldn't be stopped on Offense. You got the deep threat with Moss and the big, strong receiver with TO.

I would get him to sign a contract that says " Cause any trouble then your gone" and you don't get any $$$$.

[BigSKINBauer]

JUST REPORTED BY COMCAST MY BOY LAVAR IS OPEN TO RESTRUCTURE!!

Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo I Hope things work out.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by BigSKINBauer

JUST REPORTED BY COMCAST MY BOY LAVAR IS OPEN TO RESTRUCTURE!!

Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo I Hope things work out.

I LOVE LAVAR!!!!! Thanks BigSkinBauer, you just made my day! Check that, you made my offseason!

[Skins_4_Lyfe]

Teams know that they will be doing us a favor and we will probably get little or nothing in return. So, they will either throw a low pick at us or just wait until we release him, which is highly possible.

I love Lavar and appreciate everything that he has done for us, I wish him the best.