Lavar's Statement (cut so deep)

TheMalcolmConnection · 03-07-2006, 03:21 PM

I wouldn't go so far as to say shame on the Redskins. Let's all remember the team made the playoffs and finished the season 11-7. I'll cheer LaVar on (unless he goes to Dallas in which case he'll be my most hated athlete of any sport of all time). Williams and Gibbs know what they are doing.

Are they infallible? No, but the LaVar situation was one of those things that if he stayed would just be a lose-lose, just as you mentioned, like the Ramsey situation.

jdlea · 03-07-2006, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I wouldn't go so far as to say shame on the Redskins. Let's all remember the team made the playoffs and finished the season 11-7. I'll cheer LaVar on (unless he goes to Dallas in which case he'll be my most hated athlete of any sport of all time). Williams and Gibbs know what they are doing.

Are they infallible? No, but the LaVar situation was one of those things that if he stayed would just be a lose-lose, just as you mentioned, like the Ramsey situation.

I don't know if you say "shame on the Redskins" for this, but I have to start to scratch my head after a ton of players leave and have negative things to say about the organization. Things that I think when they leave. I start to think that maybe it's not the players, but the organization who does people wrong. Like I said the LaVar situation happened the same way as the Brad Johnson and Stephen Davis situations did before, so I don't think that much has changed.

RobH4413 · 03-07-2006, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I wouldn't go so far as to say shame on the Redskins. Let's all remember the team made the playoffs and finished the season 11-7. I'll cheer LaVar on (unless he goes to Dallas in which case he'll be my most hated athlete of any sport of all time). Williams and Gibbs know what they are doing.

Are they infallible? No, but the LaVar situation was one of those things that if he stayed would just be a lose-lose, just as you mentioned, like the Ramsey situation.

I'm not shaming the redskins for this season (my favorite thus far as I am only 20 and can barely remember the last of the glory days), just simply the handling of his talent. They made the situation personal as the drama started suspiciously after the whole contract dispute incident (if theres a problem w/ buisness... it should stay buisness). It seems to me that a player of his caliber should be on the field more frequently then he was...regardless....

I just find it hard to believe it was ever about his talent or his contributions to the team on the field. I blame the redskins for making it the lose/lose situation that eventually resulted. If it was a legitimate talent issue... then I'll shut up, but I simply don't believe it was.

If he puts on silver and blue... god help him

freddyg12 · 03-08-2006, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by RobH4413

I'm not shaming the redskins for this season (my favorite thus far as I am only 20 and can barely remember the last of the glory days), just simply the handling of his talent. They made the situation personal as the drama started suspiciously after the whole contract dispute incident (if theres a problem w/ buisness... it should stay buisness). It seems to me that a player of his caliber should be on the field more frequently then he was...regardless....

I just find it hard to believe it was ever about his talent or his contributions to the team on the field. I blame the redskins for making it the lose/lose situation that eventually resulted. If it was a legitimate talent issue... then I'll shut up, but I simply don't believe it was.

If he puts on silver and blue... god help him

"suspiciously after the whole contract dispute incident"
Sure about that? Was his knee injury that occured exactly one game after the contract dispute suspicious?
All accounts are that Lavar tried to rush back too soon from the injury, reinjured it & then in the offseason ripped the team for how they "rushed" him back. When confronted by reporters after Gibbs disagreed w/his statements in his outburst, Lavar had no comment & implied it was the media's fault.
The skins have had plenty of mgmt. problems, but to say he was made an example of is to ignore all of lavar's faults, on & off field. Seems lavar made more public comments about the contract than the skins did.
Its all a pity that it had to end like this. My opinion is that the Danny hates the postons & Lavar sided w/them when they were obviously at fault for not reviewing the contract. Maybe Lavar was verbally promised an extra 6.5 mil, that would put his signing bonus at over $20 mil! Has anyone ever really mentioned that? That's a huge bonus, even for the danny, and way above market value.
Did things get personal & impact his playing time? perhaps, but who's attitude changed & when? Lavar did start right after the dispute, but then he got hurt. Lavar has been classy for the most part here & I wish him well, but he deserves much of the blame, & he certainly deserves blame for overpusuing, being out of position & biting on play fakes.

That Guy · 03-07-2006, 03:33 PM

its the nfl. ditching your stars when they earn too much is the norm.

PhxRedSkin · 03-08-2006, 07:01 AM

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its the nfl. ditching your stars when they earn too much is the norm.

Exactly! Prove your worth tuesday through sunday in the fall.

Hail Skins

TheMalcolmConnection · 03-07-2006, 04:09 PM

But you have to know there is more to it than that. There's personality types, there's the message you send to the rest of the team. Someone had to have an example made of them and unfortunately he was the one.

JWsleep · 03-07-2006, 04:35 PM

The one thing Gibbs has stressed, both now and in the past, is that NO ONE is above the team. Come on, folks--who was the one guy guaranteed to say something negative and embarrasing during the season, for the last two years. I know he's been hurt, and that he has been (and may well still be) a probowl player, but he was never on the same page as everyone else. His comments when Gibbs arrived were "Well, I'll wait and see..." And that nonesense with the Postons? This guy has been a headache for Gibbs. And he has the biggest salary at a time when we are facing serious troubles with the CBA and all. 11-12 players volunteered to restructure. What did Lavar do?

I loved the guy when he stormed into the backfield and when he created TOs, but this is Gibbs' team, not Lavar's. He had become a distraction, a non-team guy, and we despreately needed the cap help. Too many factors came together on this one. And, in the end, Gibbs gave him a choice--restructre or go. It's not like they said, "Hit the road, punk." I realize that I don't know what the skins were offering, but the opition at least was there to stay. He didn't take it. He's gone.

Hope he doesn't end up in the East, but if he does, we'll be ready for him. Lots of teams end up with situations like this--it happens in today's sports.

taylor21dakila · 03-07-2006, 04:49 PM

i jus hope he dont become a cowgirl anyone but them!!!!!!!!!!

dmek25 · 03-07-2006, 07:24 PM

taylor21 welcome.just like thatguy said,its strictly a business decision.just about all high priced stars get cut sometime during their career

BleedBurgundy · 03-07-2006, 08:03 PM

"The 27-year old recently agreed to a buyout of his contract with the Redskins, instead of waiting until June to be released. In a radio interview in Washington yesterday, Arrington said he wants to stay in the NFC East, but would prefer not to play for the Cowboys, leaving the Eagles and Giants as potential destinations."- Scouts Inc, ESPN Insider...

That says something. Any guy who ever considered himself a "true Redskin" would still have that "anyone but Dallas" mindset. I wish him the best...

BleedBurgundy · 03-07-2006, 08:04 PM

Hey DMEK, What's up? I didn't know there were any other Lancaster people on this site...

Pocket$ $traight · 03-07-2006, 09:03 PM

I think the best thing that could happen would be him going to a team in the east but it won't be Philly. Philly runs a defense like Williams, the sum is much greater than the parts. Also, the Philly D is based on discipline and Lavar showed this year that he can function in a disciplined system but he cannot thrive. I would just line up Cooley on his side and watch Cooley score touchdowns on Lavar like Shockey (and any other pro bowl tight end). How come it was the Grim Reaper who had all of the big plays against the tight ends and not Lavar?

jermus22 · 03-07-2006, 09:33 PM

Based on all I've read about Lavar's departure and remarks, he seemed to show some real class, especially after his complaints last season. I wish him the best; he certainly provided us with some exciting moments throughout his career here.

mcalderone10 · 03-07-2006, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jermus22

Based on all I've read about Lavar's departure and remarks, he seemed to show some real class, especially after his complaints last season. I wish him the best; he certainly provided us with some exciting moments throughout his career here.

That's what i've noticed as well about him being classy. I think the media made it worse by making it an issue like they always do. I hate how skins fans are so quick to so good riddance.

HE KILLED TROY AIKMAN. It was in the film room i watched it so many times i still see aikman w/ his head down getting patted on the back and he looks up as if to say i'm dying.

I bleed burgundy and possibly some gold hasn't happened yet but i think its in there and he was part of the team #2 overall draft pick always gonna have respect for him and extra thanks to him for sayin he doesn't wanna go to the _alice cowgirls.

03-07-2006, 03:21 PM	#1
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,254	Re: Lavar's Statement (cut so deep) I wouldn't go so far as to say shame on the Redskins. Let's all remember the team made the playoffs and finished the season 11-7. I'll cheer LaVar on (unless he goes to Dallas in which case he'll be my most hated athlete of any sport of all time). Williams and Gibbs know what they are doing. Are they infallible? No, but the LaVar situation was one of those things that if he stayed would just be a lose-lose, just as you mentioned, like the Ramsey situation. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

03-07-2006, 03:33 PM	#5
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,574	Re: Lavar's Statement (cut so deep) its the nfl. ditching your stars when they earn too much is the norm.

03-07-2006, 04:09 PM	#7
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,254	Re: Lavar's Statement (cut so deep) But you have to know there is more to it than that. There's personality types, there's the message you send to the rest of the team. Someone had to have an example made of them and unfortunately he was the one. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

03-07-2006, 04:35 PM	#8
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 56 Posts: 4,719	Re: Lavar's Statement (cut so deep) The one thing Gibbs has stressed, both now and in the past, is that NO ONE is above the team. Come on, folks--who was the one guy guaranteed to say something negative and embarrasing during the season, for the last two years. I know he's been hurt, and that he has been (and may well still be) a probowl player, but he was never on the same page as everyone else. His comments when Gibbs arrived were "Well, I'll wait and see..." And that nonesense with the Postons? This guy has been a headache for Gibbs. And he has the biggest salary at a time when we are facing serious troubles with the CBA and all. 11-12 players volunteered to restructure. What did Lavar do? I loved the guy when he stormed into the backfield and when he created TOs, but this is Gibbs' team, not Lavar's. He had become a distraction, a non-team guy, and we despreately needed the cap help. Too many factors came together on this one. And, in the end, Gibbs gave him a choice--restructre or go. It's not like they said, "Hit the road, punk." I realize that I don't know what the skins were offering, but the opition at least was there to stay. He didn't take it. He's gone. Hope he doesn't end up in the East, but if he does, we'll be ready for him. Lots of teams end up with situations like this--it happens in today's sports. __________________ Hail from Houston!

03-07-2006, 04:49 PM	#9
taylor21dakila Camp Scrub Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Woodbridge Age: 38 Posts: 36	Re: Lavar's Statement (cut so deep) i jus hope he dont become a cowgirl anyone but them!!!!!!!!!!

03-07-2006, 07:24 PM	#10
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 63 Posts: 10,672	Re: Lavar's Statement (cut so deep) taylor21 welcome.just like thatguy said,its strictly a business decision.just about all high priced stars get cut sometime during their career __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

03-07-2006, 08:03 PM	#11
BleedBurgundy Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,471	Re: Lavar's Statement (cut so deep) "The 27-year old recently agreed to a buyout of his contract with the Redskins, instead of waiting until June to be released. In a radio interview in Washington yesterday, Arrington said he wants to stay in the NFC East, but would prefer not to play for the Cowboys, leaving the Eagles and Giants as potential destinations."- Scouts Inc, ESPN Insider... That says something. Any guy who ever considered himself a "true Redskin" would still have that "anyone but Dallas" mindset. I wish him the best...

03-07-2006, 08:04 PM	#12
BleedBurgundy Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,471	Re: Lavar's Statement (cut so deep) Hey DMEK, What's up? I didn't know there were any other Lancaster people on this site...

03-07-2006, 09:03 PM	#13
Pocket$ $traight Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Fairfax, VA Age: 48 Posts: 4,261	Re: Lavar's Statement (cut so deep) I think the best thing that could happen would be him going to a team in the east but it won't be Philly. Philly runs a defense like Williams, the sum is much greater than the parts. Also, the Philly D is based on discipline and Lavar showed this year that he can function in a disciplined system but he cannot thrive. I would just line up Cooley on his side and watch Cooley score touchdowns on Lavar like Shockey (and any other pro bowl tight end). How come it was the Grim Reaper who had all of the big plays against the tight ends and not Lavar?

03-07-2006, 09:33 PM	#14
jermus22 Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Frankfort, KY Age: 42 Posts: 336	Re: Lavar's Statement (cut so deep) Based on all I've read about Lavar's departure and remarks, he seemed to show some real class, especially after his complaints last season. I wish him the best; he certainly provided us with some exciting moments throughout his career here. __________________ Win it in the trenches.

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