Who starts at QB?

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by That Guy

really? so i guess that means that jacobs really is an amazing receiver after all, and that royal is a super smart guy fighting his guts out and has great hands. or that brunell (circa 2004) wasn't doing anything at all wrong, even though he couldn't hit wide open guys 6 yards down the field.

gibbs has a bad habit of publicly blowing sh*t up his player's @$$es on a regular basis. people just believe it cause they want to.

I hope campbell is amazing, but being talked up by this staff is worthless and means nothing based on past experiences.

I don't remember Gibbs ever saying that Jacobs was a great receiver, I remember him saying that he had a lot of potential. You'll have to show me that comment. Royal did fight his guts out, worked really hard, and had good hands except for that one game. Gibbs just didn't mention the things that limit him, like his speed, strength, and agility which affects blocking skills. But Royal did work really hard. Brunell circa 2004 wasn't doing anything wrong man, it was his injury causing the problems. That's what Gibbs was getting at with that comment.

He doesn't blow smoke. He chooses his comments very carefully. He says positive things when he can, and doesn't talk about the players' limitations.

His comments regarding Campbell have pretty much covered the gamut of every skill and attribute you'd want in your QB. It was glowing.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

All you Salary Cap Gurus out there, is Jason Campbell due any kind of bonus for playing as early as 2006 that the Redskins would avoid by not playing him until 2007?

I'm not saying that that's going to decide who will play in '06, I'm just curious.

Not sure, I don't know what the incentives are in that puppy.

[MTK]

I think it's funny that people seem to question Gibbs' ability to evaluate QBs.

He seems to know a thing or two when it comes to choosing his signal caller if you ask me.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I think it's funny that people seem to question Gibbs' ability to evaluate QBs.

He seems to know a thing or two when it comes to choosing his signal caller if you ask me.

Yes, the record is impeccable: Theismann, Schroeder, Williams, Rypien, Brunell.

[Schneed10]

And didn't he choose Stan Humphries as well?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

And didn't he choose Stan Humphries as well?

Yeah but remember he let him go to SD and stuck with Rypien who only had 28 TD passes and was a SB MVP.

[BrudLee]

I think that Schefter could be making some of these details up. Since the team lost in the playoffs, there have been approximately zero OTA's, camps, drills, or practices. It would be difficult to gauge Campbell's progress then, wouldn't it? The head coach has been raving about Campbell's ability and maturity, so perhaps his opinion differs from Mr. Schefter's.

[Huddle]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Yes, the record is impeccable: Theismann, Schroeder, Williams, Rypien, Brunell.

Are you talking about drafting them? Theisman was already here (George Allen). Beathard selected Schroeder, Humphries, and Rypien with fifth and sixth round draft choices.

Joe dealt Schroeder and Humphries away after Beathard left (later admitting that he was wrong about Humphries who started and played fairly well for San Diego).

Brunell and Campbell were selected by Gibbs, of course. I'm not sure who picked williams.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Huddle

Are you talking about drafting them? Theisman was already here. Beathard selected Schroeder, Humphries, and Rypien with fifth and sixth round draft choices.

Joe dealt Schroeder and Humphries away after Beathard left (later admitting that he was wrong about Humphries who started and played fairly well for San Diego).

Brunell and Campbell were selected by Gibbs, of course. I'm not sure who picked williams.

Gibbs had heavy input on those picks. You're right on Theismann though, he was inherited.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Huddle

Are you talking about drafting them? Theisman was already here (George Allen). Beathard selected Schroeder, Humphries, and Rypien with fifth and sixth round draft choices.

Joe dealt Schroeder and Humphries away after Beathard left (later admitting that he was wrong about Humphries who started and played fairly well for San Diego).

Brunell and Campbell were selected by Gibbs, of course. I'm not sure who picked williams.

Gibbs basically had no input at all. I think Bethard ran the team, and JKC actually called the offense, and was BU on Punt return as well. Naturally, Riggins was quality control Mgr, and HR

[ST21]

yall already starting this mess..................

[#56fanatic]

We have waited way to long to deal Ramsey. Jets were offering a 3rd or so for him last year, maybe even higher I honestly dont remember. The fact everyone in the league knew after the 1st half of the 1st game that Ramsey was going to be else where at the start of next season has dropped his trade value dramatically. Teams know the skins are going to drop him, no matter what happens. All this who-ha about waiting to see what happens was a load of crap. they wanted teams to offer something in regards of players or draft picks. Fact is, they know we are releasing him, why give away picks when we can get him on FA market and keep the picks. Ramseys Market will pick up when he is released in the next few days. I think they are really crapping on him right now, especially the way he has handled himself the last two years. Never saying anything bad about the team, supporting Brunell and cheering him on. I saw him repeatedly be the first one on the field to congratulate Brunell after thowing a TD pass. I hope Ramsey goes on to become a very good QB in this league. He has the arm,brains, and we all saw the kid take a pounding and kept getting up, so we know his toughness isn't a question. GOOD LUCK PATRICK!

[RobH4413]

Originally Posted by Huddle

I agree with your feelings on Ramsey but I've turned the page on the idea that someday he'd succeed here. Joe Gibbs doesn't like his game. Joe's not a good coaching fit for a young gunslinger who needs patience.

With all the FA signings, I'd like to get very optimistic about the 2006 season but I have serious doubts about our QB situation.

Last year, our passing game was customized for a 35 year-old Mark Brunell who still has the instincts of a scrambler but doesn't have the legs anymore. From the Seattle game through the San Franscisco blowout, Mark and Santana put up some amazing yardage numbers but, after that, their production fell off. At the end, in the weaker part of our schedule, we were very dependent on the running game and defensive turnovers.

At this stage of his career, Brunell's game is very limited and easily defended. Furthermore, Al Saunders' scheme utilizes a pocket passer. Mark doesn't fit the system.

I hope we didn't bring in Al Saunders to adjust his scheme for a 36 year-old ex-scrambler.

Even if the media rumors that Campbell isn't ready are false, how optimistic can we get about the potential of an offense with a QB who has never taken a snap in an NFL game where real bullets were being fired?

hypothetically speaking: ... suppose we keep ramsey ...

If Gibbs opens his mind and let's saunders have equal influence in the decision of whom to start at QB, thus guaranteeing a fair competition then what would be the result?

My conclusion is only that our QB depth chart will be much more attractive w/ Ramsey than without.


(no particular order)
1)Brunell --------------------1) Brunell
2)Campbell ----is less then---2)Ramsey
3)Collins--------------------- 3)Campbell

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by Huddle

Are you talking about drafting them? Theisman was already here (George Allen). Beathard selected Schroeder, Humphries, and Rypien with fifth and sixth round draft choices.

Joe dealt Schroeder and Humphries away after Beathard left (later admitting that he was wrong about Humphries who started and played fairly well for San Diego).

Brunell and Campbell were selected by Gibbs, of course. I'm not sure who picked williams.

I don't know if it's so much who picked and drafted them because I'm pretty sure he had a lot of input in that, but I think a lot of it has to do with what he did with them as far as who was starting and who he thought gave them the best chance to win. In fact, it all comes down to what is the common factor to all of these successful qb's - Joe Gibbs was their head coach.

[Big C]

todd collins will be the starting QB opening day