Treasonous....

[Carnage]

Either you are with Gibbs or you are with the terrorists!

[Oakland Red]

Originally Posted by Carnage

Either you are with Gibbs or you are with the terrorists!

That has the ring of truthiness.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by That Guy

damn, not another we are family thread. that whole idea is bogus and has already been beaten to death in your last thread which said pretty much the same thing.

it's okay to disagree... i personally haven't seen these posts about gibbs resigning, but please don't tell me because you saw one guy with a post count of 3 you think it's widespread (like the last time you posted one of these threads).

I have no idea why you think we have washington's name... if so, doesn't seattle also share that? no idea where the soul of the union stuff came from either.

We are what we are, and someone deserves blame for this offseason. the last two were good, but this one failed horribly to address needs that many MANY fans (who are unpaid) knew about since last year. I'm not saying it's all on gibbs, but as the man in charge, some of every loss has to be on him.

Nice post. But just one comment about giving away our all draft picks that other posters here have mentioned. I'll just repeat verbatim what I wrote in another thread. We have more draft picks playing key roles than people seem to want to believe. 3/5th of our starting O-line (Samuels, Dockery, Jansen), our #2 RB (Betts) our KR (Cartwright) our starting safety (Taylor) our starting corner (Rogers). Golston and Montgomery play major minutes at DT (starting out of necessity right now, probably sooner than they should be) I think opening day next year at the latest Jason Campbell and Rocky will be starting. Is Demetric Evans a draft pick? If so, that's another one. Chris Cooley is another one.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Nice post. But just one comment about giving away our all draft picks that other posters here have mentioned. I'll just repeat verbatim what I wrote in another thread. We have more draft picks playing key roles than people seem to want to believe. 3/5th of our starting O-line (Samuels, Dockery, Jansen), our #2 RB (Betts) our KR (Cartwright) our starting safety (Taylor) our starting corner (Rogers). Golston and Montgomery play major minutes at DT (starting out of necessity right now, probably sooner than they should be) I think opening day next year at the latest Jason Campbell and Rocky will be starting. Is Demetric Evans a draft pick? If so, that's another one. Chris Cooley is another one.

Hard to debate that, but... the problem is that championship teams use the draft not just for starters, but for depth, youth, and the future. The way this front office operates leaves the team paper thin on the depth chart.

One only has to point to the record Dan Snyder's organization has amassed since he took over as proof that their personnel department is seriously lacking. If his team had been competitive year after year since 1999, then you'd be exactly right, and no one has any room to complain.

Obviously, that is not the case.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Nice post. But just one comment about giving away our all draft picks that other posters here have mentioned. I'll just repeat verbatim what I wrote in another thread. We have more draft picks playing key roles than people seem to want to believe. 3/5th of our starting O-line (Samuels, Dockery, Jansen), our #2 RB (Betts) our KR (Cartwright) our starting safety (Taylor) our starting corner (Rogers). Golston and Montgomery play major minutes at DT (starting out of necessity right now, probably sooner than they should be) I think opening day next year at the latest Jason Campbell and Rocky will be starting. Is Demetric Evans a draft pick? If so, that's another one. Chris Cooley is another one.

compare it to jacksonville or philly or indy or.... it's a stark contrast. we drafted only 4/11 starters on O (+sellers as a cheap FA twice, which is just as good). for quality O depth, we drafted betts, and um... taylor jacobs?
campbell hasn't shown one way or the other yet, but i believe he'll be a quality starter. cartwright is a nice guy to have and qualifies since getting anything out of a 7th rounder is hard, and he's done well besides the fumbling.

on defense, those DTs are okay value, but they're not starters, at least not yet, and they're a glaring weakness right now when griffin is MIA. rogers i decent and was drafted (though a bit disappointing right now, at least he's cheap), and taylor is the best draft pick we've made in years. I think evans was a UDFA, but i'm not sure. he's good depth, and finding lemar and pierce as UDFAs was great too. we haven't seen enough of rocky to know much yet. that's 2/11 starters drafted, 2 vet min FAs, and down the road maybe 4/11. that's not good, cause a lot of the other guys are big money, and some of them aren't producing. mistakes don't matter when they're cheap, since they'd be easily fixable.

If you look at cinncy's retention rate of draft picks (which i did in the offseason) its dumb-founding compared to what we do. most well run clubs are the same way.

[That Guy]

I mean, philly grabbed a starting quality DT in round 1, then they got guys that'd be GOOD NFL starters at LT and LG in rounds 2 and 3. they were able to let two starting CBs go in the same year, cause they had drafted well and could just pull 2 more starters straight off the bench. right now, they've basically got 7 starters on their DL. that's crazy depth. imagine if we could do that instead of bargain hunting for rejected low grade FAs the week before the season starts.

[steveo395]

Originally Posted by That Guy

I mean, philly grabbed a starting quality DT in round 1, then they got guys that'd be GOOD NFL starters at LT and LG in rounds 2 and 3. they were able to let two starting CBs go in the same year, cause they had drafted well and could just pull 2 more starters straight off the bench. right now, they've basically got 7 starters on their DL. that's crazy depth. imagine if we could do that instead of bargain hunting for rejected low grade FAs the week before the season starts.

well thats what happens when you trade away your whole draft every year

[EternalEnigma21]

i just wish we wouldve kept ryan clark

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by That Guy

compare it to jacksonville or philly or indy or.... it's a stark contrast. we drafted only 4/11 starters on O (+sellers as a cheap FA twice, which is just as good). for quality O depth, we drafted betts, and um... taylor jacobs?
campbell hasn't shown one way or the other yet, but i believe he'll be a quality starter. cartwright is a nice guy to have and qualifies since getting anything out of a 7th rounder is hard, and he's done well besides the fumbling.

on defense, those DTs are okay value, but they're not starters, at least not yet, and they're a glaring weakness right now when griffin is MIA. rogers i decent and was drafted (though a bit disappointing right now, at least he's cheap), and taylor is the best draft pick we've made in years. I think evans was a UDFA, but i'm not sure. he's good depth, and finding lemar and pierce as UDFAs was great too. we haven't seen enough of rocky to know much yet. that's 2/11 starters drafted, 2 vet min FAs, and down the road maybe 4/11. that's not good, cause a lot of the other guys are big money, and some of them aren't producing. mistakes don't matter when they're cheap, since they'd be easily fixable.

If you look at cinncy's retention rate of draft picks (which i did in the offseason) its dumb-founding compared to what we do. most well run clubs are the same way.

What's ironic is that neither Philly nor Cincy has a general manager. Not sure what the front office structure is in Jacksonville off the top of my head

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

What's ironic is that neither Philly nor Cincy has a general manager. Not sure what the front office structure is in Jacksonville off the top of my head

yeah, but whoever's in charge isn't clueless. cinny only had one scout for a long time, and i think marvin is good at talent eval (their character/interview/crime screening leaves something to be desired though).