QB or defense: what's the bigger problem?

celts32 · 10-23-2006, 04:43 PM

Defense...not even close. Brunell is not a come form behind Qb and neither would Campbell be one as a rookie. The redskins were a team built on controlling the game on the ground and playing with a lead. This defense is AWFUL and the main problem with the team. The give up a TD on the opening drive every week it seems. AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL!!!!!!

MTK · 10-23-2006, 04:46 PM

If we put in Campbell and open up the offense a bit maybe we'll lose 36-28 instead of 36-22.

But if we put in Campbell and the offense opens up, AND the D somehow comes around, only then will we see a different team.

Longtimefan · 10-23-2006, 04:46 PM

I'm of the opinion the Defense is the biggst problem at this time and the unit that needs the most fixing. Let's face it guys our D line is not very good, plus the guys we count on the most are older, or always injured. Regardless of how good a player, if he can't be counted on to be there for you, he's not a lot of help. Would really like to see us start rebuilding both lines, offense and defense because that's where it all starts. If we could pressure other teams the way Brunell is pressured all the time maybe our secondary wouldn't look quite so bad.

BDBohnzie · 10-23-2006, 05:08 PM

Back in the day, when the Skins couldn't score, I believe it was said that the magic number on offense points per game was around 20. Score 20 points and you'll win most games. Our offense is currently putting up an average of 20 points a game. However, the defense is giving up 24. Throw out the Houston game, and the defense is giving up 26 points per game.

While Brunell isn't doing much (11th rated QB thus far), the defense couldn't stop a bug with a brick wall right now. The Skins defense is incompetent to say the least. They are 29th against the pass because of a depleted secondary that has 2 INTs. The linebackers have been inconsistent, and the defensive line has had many injuries and cannot get a consistent pass rush.

GW's theory about being able to plug anyone into his system has been deeply flawed this season. It's quite obvious that this isn't the case...either that, or these players just don't get it.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 10-23-2006, 05:29 PM

The defense is definately the bigger problem. That said, the offense has more tools to work with (see Portis, Moss, Cooley, ARE, Lloyd) than our defense (see injuries to Griffin, Springs, Marshall, Rogers) and should be outperforming our defense.

Big C · 10-23-2006, 05:36 PM

easily the defense is the bigger problem. brunell has been decent at least, whether u all will admit it or not, our defense just cant stop anyone, not even the titans or texans

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 10-23-2006, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Big C

easily the defense is the bigger problem. brunell has been decent at least, whether u all will admit it or not, our defense just cant stop anyone, not even the titans or texans

I agree that our defense is the bigger problem. As for Brunell, I could look decent if Gibbs asked me to hand the ball off or pretend to look deep and then throw it to a guy in the flats 3 yards behind the line of scrimmage.

dmek25 · 10-23-2006, 05:42 PM

i really don't understand that philosophy at all. in Gibbs first go round, it was pounding the running game, and throwing long to the posse

illdefined · 10-23-2006, 05:42 PM

i love how they're just handing the ball off to our recievers now instead of throwing it to them. better taking the whole QB thing out of the equation.

Paintrain · 10-23-2006, 06:06 PM

QB because he can affect the defense. By consistently going 3 and out and/or not gaining the field position advantage the defense is being put in difficult positions or worn down late in games. Now they need to step up a little and perform but they also need the offense to carry it's weight. By getting turnovers it's a bonus to the offense if the defense makes a play but the offense HAS to help the defense.

61cad · 10-23-2006, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Paintrain

QB because he can affect the defense. By consistently going 3 and out and/or not gaining the field position advantage the defense is being put in difficult positions or worn down late in games. Now they need to step up a little and perform but they also need the offense to carry it's weight. By getting turnovers it's a bonus to the offense if the defense makes a play but the offense HAS to help the defense.

What does field position have to do with shutting down an opponent’s offense? Three an out can happen in between the Skins 49 and 40 yard line.

There hasn’t been that many opponents drive that started inside the Skins 40.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 10-23-2006, 06:36 PM

I posted this in another thread, but in the Colts, Giants, Cowboys, and Vikings games, the offense scored a total of 37 points! That's about 9 points per game!

BTW, the defense is worse.

70Chip · 10-23-2006, 07:48 PM

It's the defense. 22 points would have been enough to win most games in 04 or 05. They are a below average group, injuries notwithstanding.

Paintrain · 10-23-2006, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 61cad

What does field position have to do with shutting down an opponent’s offense? Three an out can happen in between the Skins 49 and 40 yard line.

There hasn’t been that many opponents drive that started inside the Skins 40.

Couldn't find a bigger or darker font? ;-)
Without absolving the defense of responsibility, there is a big difference in defending 80 yards than 45 yards. Drives don't have to start at our 40 but if you get the ball at the 20, gain 7 yards, punt and they start their possession at the 35-40 yard line that's a huge advantage vs. if you have to punt, punting from midfield or a little beyond, worse case they'll start at the 20.. Plus 3 and outs don't build any offensive rhythm and let their defense remain fresh while ours tires from being on the field all day.

skinsguy · 10-23-2006, 08:50 PM

Defense. I want to see Jason Campbell and see what he can do, but our biggest problem is defense.

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10-23-2006, 04:43 PM	#31
celts32 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hackettstown NJ Age: 53 Posts: 2,665	Re: QB or defense: what's the bigger problem? Defense...not even close. Brunell is not a come form behind Qb and neither would Campbell be one as a rookie. The redskins were a team built on controlling the game on the ground and playing with a lead. This defense is AWFUL and the main problem with the team. The give up a TD on the opening drive every week it seems. AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL!!!!!! __________________ Section 116 Row 19 “Goal line, goal line. I-left, tight wing, 70 chip on white.” www.facebook.com/HackettstownBeerClub

10-23-2006, 04:46 PM	#32
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,518	Re: QB or defense: what's the bigger problem? If we put in Campbell and open up the offense a bit maybe we'll lose 36-28 instead of 36-22. But if we put in Campbell and the offense opens up, AND the D somehow comes around, only then will we see a different team. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

10-23-2006, 04:46 PM	#33
Longtimefan Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Germantown, Md. Posts: 4,832	Re: QB or defense: what's the bigger problem? I'm of the opinion the Defense is the biggst problem at this time and the unit that needs the most fixing. Let's face it guys our D line is not very good, plus the guys we count on the most are older, or always injured. Regardless of how good a player, if he can't be counted on to be there for you, he's not a lot of help. Would really like to see us start rebuilding both lines, offense and defense because that's where it all starts. If we could pressure other teams the way Brunell is pressured all the time maybe our secondary wouldn't look quite so bad.

10-23-2006, 05:08 PM	#34
BDBohnzie Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Frederick, MD Age: 45 Posts: 4,628	Re: QB or defense: what's the bigger problem? Back in the day, when the Skins couldn't score, I believe it was said that the magic number on offense points per game was around 20. Score 20 points and you'll win most games. Our offense is currently putting up an average of 20 points a game. However, the defense is giving up 24. Throw out the Houston game, and the defense is giving up 26 points per game. While Brunell isn't doing much (11th rated QB thus far), the defense couldn't stop a bug with a brick wall right now. The Skins defense is incompetent to say the least. They are 29th against the pass because of a depleted secondary that has 2 INTs. The linebackers have been inconsistent, and the defensive line has had many injuries and cannot get a consistent pass rush. GW's theory about being able to plug anyone into his system has been deeply flawed this season. It's quite obvious that this isn't the case...either that, or these players just don't get it. __________________ Bad Things man, I mean bad things... “WE TOOK HIM IN THE SIXTH ROUND SO WE'RE NOT SMART EITHER.” - Shanny on what the Skins saw in Alfred Morris

10-23-2006, 05:29 PM	#35
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 45 Posts: 8,317	Re: QB or defense: what's the bigger problem? The defense is definately the bigger problem. That said, the offense has more tools to work with (see Portis, Moss, Cooley, ARE, Lloyd) than our defense (see injuries to Griffin, Springs, Marshall, Rogers) and should be outperforming our defense.

10-23-2006, 05:36 PM	#36
Big C Mr. Brightside Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 38 Posts: 4,453	Re: QB or defense: what's the bigger problem? easily the defense is the bigger problem. brunell has been decent at least, whether u all will admit it or not, our defense just cant stop anyone, not even the titans or texans __________________ "I don't care what nobody say I'm a be me, stay hood stay real, cause I'm out here grindin'" -Joe Gibbs

10-23-2006, 05:42 PM	#38
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 63 Posts: 10,672	Re: QB or defense: what's the bigger problem? i really don't understand that philosophy at all. in Gibbs first go round, it was pounding the running game, and throwing long to the posse __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

10-23-2006, 05:42 PM	#39
illdefined Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: nyc Age: 48 Posts: 2,631	Re: QB or defense: what's the bigger problem? i love how they're just handing the ball off to our recievers now instead of throwing it to them. better taking the whole QB thing out of the equation. __________________ a fan. not a cheerleader.

10-23-2006, 06:06 PM	#40
Paintrain Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Age: 54 Posts: 5,006	Re: QB or defense: what's the bigger problem? QB because he can affect the defense. By consistently going 3 and out and/or not gaining the field position advantage the defense is being put in difficult positions or worn down late in games. Now they need to step up a little and perform but they also need the offense to carry it's weight. By getting turnovers it's a bonus to the offense if the defense makes a play but the offense HAS to help the defense. __________________ Paintrain's Redskins Fandom 1981-2014 I'm not dead but this team is dead to me...but now that McCloughan is here they may have new life! Jay Gruden = Zorny McSpurrier Kirk Cousins = Next Grossman

10-23-2006, 06:36 PM	#42
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 45 Posts: 8,317	Re: QB or defense: what's the bigger problem? I posted this in another thread, but in the Colts, Giants, Cowboys, and Vikings games, the offense scored a total of 37 points! That's about 9 points per game! BTW, the defense is worse.

10-23-2006, 07:48 PM	#43
70Chip Playmaker Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Manassas Age: 53 Posts: 3,048	Re: QB or defense: what's the bigger problem? It's the defense. 22 points would have been enough to win most games in 04 or 05. They are a below average group, injuries notwithstanding. __________________ This Monkey's Gone to Heaven

10-23-2006, 08:50 PM	#45
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	Re: QB or defense: what's the bigger problem? Defense. I want to see Jason Campbell and see what he can do, but our biggest problem is defense. __________________ "Fire Up That Diesel!"

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