The Moves We Should Make Next Year (merged)

jsarno · 10-30-2006, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I didn't say he's the real deal, I said hopefully he will be.

My bad, I misunderstood your post.

I guess you're seeing what I am seeing out of McIntosh too eh? (nothing to this point)

hail_2_da_skins · 10-30-2006, 12:56 PM

I hate to say it but sometimes you have to take a step backwards to move forward. What I mean is the Redskins need to stop the pattern of trading away draft picks for over-priced free agents that are not helping the team. STOP THE MADNESS!!! What it will take is a couple of years of building a team. They need to identify their core players; Portis, Cooley, Moss, Washington, Taylor and build around them through the draft and reasonable free agent acquisitions. Stop paying top dollar for mediocre players.

Monkeydad · 10-30-2006, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Leftwich is too inconsistent.

Next year is Campbell's time.

...and injury prone.

Yep Campbell will be the man next year and hopefully for 8-10 years afterwards. We haven't had a long-term QB since Theismann played for 11 years for us.

Top priority should be DEFENSE DEFENSE DEFENSE! A few CBs, a LB or two and maybe some more reserve linemen.

A kicker we can rely on would help too, if Novak doesn't work out.

Our offense is solid with good playcalling.

skinsfan69 · 10-30-2006, 12:57 PM

Team needs to get younger on the o-line and d-line. I would take the 1st round draft pick and try to trade down becasue this team needs help in so many areas. I would also try and trade some players that still have value for draft picks.

Monkeydad · 10-30-2006, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

And if we get a top five pick, who the heck do we take?!

FIrst of all, we WON'T get a top 5 pick. If we did, we should go for the marquis CB, whomever that is. There's a kid named Leon Hall from Michigan who looks great.

Monkeydad · 10-30-2006, 01:02 PM

AH HA! Look what I found...

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SouperMeister · 10-30-2006, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Buster

FIrst of all, we WON'T get a top 5 pick. If we did, we should go for the marquis CB, whomever that is. There's a kid named Leon Hall from Michigan who looks great.

I'd select a pass-rushing DE before CB. With our weak pass rush, Champ Bailey himself would have a hard time in this D. Our secondary is much maligned, but you can get by with an average secondary if you have an outstanding pass rush. As poorly as Rogers and others have played at CB, I'm convinced that the talent is there (especially with a healthy Springs). I'm not as certain about Andre Carter suddenly bolstering our pass rush. Get a bonafide pass rusher, and much of this secondary's problems will disappear.

JoeRedskin · 10-30-2006, 01:14 PM

First, while I appreciate the thought of this thread, I am not - repeat not - ready to give up on this year yet. It's tough sledding but maybe, just maybe we can go 8-1 or 7-2 and make it in. Not counting on it, but not giving up either.

Second, get Clements, start Campbell and draft lineman, defensive and offensive (yes, I know we don't have much in the way of draft but, what we have should be spent on getting younger and better along the lines).

jsarno · 10-30-2006, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Buster

Yep Campbell will be the man next year and hopefully for 8-10 years afterwards. We haven't had a long-term QB since Theismann played for 11 years for us.

This just makes me nervous. Most everyone here (minus myself and a couple others) said Ramsey was the man and will be for years to come. He wasn't. We need to come up with a backup plan for the QB position. I'm not saying Campbell will not become the man, but we have shown and should know by now, the QB position is the most important position on the field. It's hard to find a Brett Favre, or Peyton Manning type QB, so do what the Pats did...find a back up plan and maybe he'll be the next Tom Brady. Never stop looking for talent at the QB position...it's never enough.

Monkeydad · 10-30-2006, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jsarno

This just makes me nervous. Most everyone here (minus myself and a couple others) said Ramsey was the man and will be for years to come. He wasn't. We need to come up with a backup plan for the QB position. I'm not saying Campbell will not become the man, but we have shown and should know by now, the QB position is the most important position on the field. It's hard to find a Brett Favre, or Peyton Manning type QB, so do what the Pats did...find a back up plan and maybe he'll be the next Tom Brady. Never stop looking for talent at the QB position...it's never enough.

They were speaking from hope rather than observations, obviously. I watched Ramsey and saw a guy who never matured as a pro QB. I year 4, he made the same stupid mistakes and decisions he did in his rookie year. Campbell is very smart football-wise (proved that in Auburn with a different system AND sucess every year) and has a ton more ability than Ramsey.

Campbell has the tools to be a great pro QB. The only abilities Ramsey had were the ability to lose the game and the ability to lose his job. I was NEVER confortable with him playing for us. Sure he can throw the ball far...you could get a guy off the street that can do that.

I do agree with you, it wouldn't hurt to have another QB to back up Campbell, but I wouldn't draft one with our other needs. Plus, we don't want to have a backup who isn't developed yet as Campbell has been developed and prepared. We should go after a young backup like Volek or Schaub. We also don't want Campbell to get the feeling we're replacing him with another draft pick. I hope we don't keep Todd Collins for our #2 next year, assuming Brunell retires...which may not happen. Having Brunell as Campbell's backup would be fine with me next year, however, we can't rely on that for more than a year...so a backup plan for the future IS needed.

Monkeydad · 10-30-2006, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

First, while I appreciate the thought of this thread, I am not - repeat not - ready to give up on this year yet. It's tough sledding but maybe, just maybe we can go 8-1 or 7-2 and make it in. Not counting on it, but not giving up either.

Second, get Clements, start Campbell and draft lineman, defensive and offensive (yes, I know we don't have much in the way of draft but, what we have should be spent on getting younger and better along the lines).

It's easier to find good linemen later in the draft. With positions like QB and RB, there's a few elite picks and then the quality drops off dramatically. With linemen, there are guys with size and work ethics all throughout the draft who can be made into a blocking monster even if they have some weaknesses to work on. Tony Mandarich, Tony Boselli and Brian Jozwiak showed why you shouldn't take a offensive lineman with a top pick.

memphisskin · 10-30-2006, 02:07 PM

The Skins look like Rocky in Rocky III, only without having achieved any of the things that Rocky did. Point of fact, they've lost their Eye of the Tiger. They need to hire Apollo Creed to take the whole team to some crappy gym on the coast full of young football players with the eye. Then they need to run windsprints on the beach in shorts so short they'd make Paris Hilton blush. Throw in Mrs. Gibbs screaming "You can't win" (or was that in Rocky IV?) and we've got a SB title in '07.

Beyond that, some patience wouldn't hurt. Instead of getting all dreamy-eyed over some free agent signee, lets instead put some money back into our scouting department. I'd love to see us develop some players, like Kedric Golston, instead of constantly calling someone else's trash our treasure (Archuleta). It's a little hard to build chemistry when you're constantly re-arranging the core. Settle on the core guys, surround them with young, hungry players, and draft younger, hungrier players to push them.

Longtimefan · 10-30-2006, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jsarno

I think we are assuming Quinn will be #1, but I just don't see it. I guess we'll know more in the offseason. There are always a plethera of talent in the top 10.

Someone started a thread on this guy a few days ago, what happened to it?

How we're going to pay a first round pick is more important than who we're going to pick. Knowing this FO and their disdain for DP, anything relevant to same would be truly speculation. This current roster has to visit the knife before we can think about signing anybody.

irish · 10-30-2006, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Here's a question for you guys. I'd say the odds are 90-10 that Brunell won't be back next year and I'll say 80-20 that Collins won't be back. So anyhow, assuming Campbell is our guy next year who is the backup?

Do we draft someone we can groom? Or, considering Campbell will essentially be a rookie, do we go after a veteran QB with playing experience. Some possibilities Jake Plummer (I don't like him personally), Chris Simms (if he's not back in Tampa, I think he'll look to start somewhere else), and here's an intriguing one Byron Leftwich (would bring him back home)

Anyway, I don't like thinking about next year yet but I am curious who might be our backup QB. What do you all think?

If they bring any of the QBs you mention here to DC they wont be as back ups.

WVU SkinsFan56 · 10-30-2006, 02:58 PM

for what its worth, i would also like to see us pick up clements in free agency. as far as the draft goes there i dont really think that there is much cb talent this year. there are basically 2 guys, leon hall and marcus mcaulley. hall is great against the run but is kinda slow and i dont think he will be that great in coverage. mcaulley has all the physical tools but he is from fresno state and hasnt played that great of competition. if we get a top 5 pick i dont think i would feel comfortable using it on someone from fresno state. if we do get a top 5 pick does anyone else think we should take a look at paul posluszney???? he is a freek and can play both middle and outside lb.

10-30-2006, 12:56 PM	#32
hail_2_da_skins Impact Rookie Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: St. Louis, MO Age: 68 Posts: 868	Re: The Moves We Should Make Next Year I hate to say it but sometimes you have to take a step backwards to move forward. What I mean is the Redskins need to stop the pattern of trading away draft picks for over-priced free agents that are not helping the team. STOP THE MADNESS!!! What it will take is a couple of years of building a team. They need to identify their core players; Portis, Cooley, Moss, Washington, Taylor and build around them through the draft and reasonable free agent acquisitions. Stop paying top dollar for mediocre players. __________________ "HAIL TO THE SKINS"

10-30-2006, 12:57 PM	#34
skinsfan69 Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 17,337	Re: The Moves We Should Make Next Year Team needs to get younger on the o-line and d-line. I would take the 1st round draft pick and try to trade down becasue this team needs help in so many areas. I would also try and trade some players that still have value for draft picks.

10-30-2006, 01:02 PM	#36
Monkeydad Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: PA Age: 45 Posts: 17,460	Re: The Moves We Should Make Next Year AH HA! Look what I found... NFL Draft Countdown - Cornerback Rankings

10-30-2006, 01:14 PM	#38
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 62 Posts: 10,401	Re: The Moves We Should Make Next Year First, while I appreciate the thought of this thread, I am not - repeat not - ready to give up on this year yet. It's tough sledding but maybe, just maybe we can go 8-1 or 7-2 and make it in. Not counting on it, but not giving up either. Second, get Clements, start Campbell and draft lineman, defensive and offensive (yes, I know we don't have much in the way of draft but, what we have should be spent on getting younger and better along the lines). __________________ Strap it up, hold onto the ball, and let’s go.

10-30-2006, 02:07 PM	#42
memphisskin Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Nashville, TN Age: 53 Posts: 960	Re: The Moves We Should Make Next Year The Skins look like Rocky in Rocky III, only without having achieved any of the things that Rocky did. Point of fact, they've lost their Eye of the Tiger. They need to hire Apollo Creed to take the whole team to some crappy gym on the coast full of young football players with the eye. Then they need to run windsprints on the beach in shorts so short they'd make Paris Hilton blush. Throw in Mrs. Gibbs screaming "You can't win" (or was that in Rocky IV?) and we've got a SB title in '07. Beyond that, some patience wouldn't hurt. Instead of getting all dreamy-eyed over some free agent signee, lets instead put some money back into our scouting department. I'd love to see us develop some players, like Kedric Golston, instead of constantly calling someone else's trash our treasure (Archuleta). It's a little hard to build chemistry when you're constantly re-arranging the core. Settle on the core guys, surround them with young, hungry players, and draft younger, hungrier players to push them.

10-30-2006, 02:58 PM	#45
WVU SkinsFan56 Camp Scrub Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Gainseville, VA Posts: 6	Re: The Moves We Should Make Next Year for what its worth, i would also like to see us pick up clements in free agency. as far as the draft goes there i dont really think that there is much cb talent this year. there are basically 2 guys, leon hall and marcus mcaulley. hall is great against the run but is kinda slow and i dont think he will be that great in coverage. mcaulley has all the physical tools but he is from fresno state and hasnt played that great of competition. if we get a top 5 pick i dont think i would feel comfortable using it on someone from fresno state. if we do get a top 5 pick does anyone else think we should take a look at paul posluszney???? he is a freek and can play both middle and outside lb.

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