At what point would a skins fan be justified in calling for Gibbs' resignation?

[Longtimefan]

I'm a fan who will be willing to let Joe Gibbs make that decision for himself. After all, that's what legends do.

[Pocket$ $traight]

I don't think the fans have the right to call for his resignation but if you disagree with the direction of the team we all have a vote.

Refuse to purchase tickets and merchandise and if you are a season ticket holder, go out of your way to sell your tickets to opposing fans. That should get Snyder's attention.

[Southpaw]

I've been critical of some of Gibbs' calls as head coach, but I think it's far too soon to be calling for his resignation. He adopted a franchise that has been handled poorly, from the top down, for the previous decade. He should be given at least the length of his contract to try and right the ship.

But I also think there's only a 50/50 shot of him still being the head coach next season, and Campbell could be the determining factor. If Campbell shows potential, I could see Gibbs coming back and trying to build from the positives. If Campbell completely flops, Gibbs might just decide he's had enough, and hang it up.

[hurrykaine]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Im not a yes man, but Im patient with coaches. I feel 3 years is the magic number. If you don't have it working by then, something may be wrong. If Gibbs goes through another year like this one next year. Time to let GWill take the ship over.

That's what scares me. While I'll have no problem with Gibbs' decision to leave after another disgraceful performance on offense next season, I'm not sold on Greg Williams as a Head Coach and personnel evaluator. Each year, we have let core guys walk on defense walk away and have paid the price. Pierce, Smoot, Ryan Clark - heck even some of the lesser known folks like Ron Warner could've helped this team right now. Williams was key in getting Carter and AA here, and both have been huge busts. S Taylor is regressing each week.

[memphisskin]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

True. I just threw out those names as examples, not really to compare them to Gibbs' success. I mean, who else has an active winning percentage better than Gibbs...maybe Bellichek?

Funny you threw out Spurrier? I think had we kept either Marty Shott...or maybe held on to Marvin Lewis long enough to make him head coach, it's possible we're not even discussing Gibbs.

Dungy is the only active coach with a better winning percentage. If not for the wild success we had over the last five games there would have been no Super Bowl expectations. Think back over the past five years, what other coach brought that level of hope? Not saying that another coach couldn't, but I am saying that no other coach did it here. Turner, Schottenheimer and Spurrier were brought here to give the fan base hope.

There are no quick fixes, no dream free agents or draft picks who are going to come to Redskin Park and turn the skins around. Gibbs has a plan, he's won before, and I think he'll win it all again here in DC.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

I've been critical of some of Gibbs' calls as head coach, but I think it's far too soon to be calling for his resignation. He adopted a franchise that has been handled poorly, from the top down, for the previous decade. He should be given at least the length of his contract to try and right the ship.

But I also think there's only a 50/50 shot of him still being the head coach next season, and Campbell could be the determining factor. If Campbell shows potential, I could see Gibbs coming back and trying to build from the positives. If Campbell completely flops, Gibbs might just decide he's had enough, and hang it up.

I personally think Gibbs returns no matter what. And if he doesn't, it certainly won't have anything to do with Campbell succeeding or failing, after all we're only going to see him for seven games. That's hardly enough for Joe Gibbs to call it quits with 2 years remaining.

[hurrykaine]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

If Campbell completely flops, Gibbs might just decide he's had enough, and hang it up.

If Campbell completely flops, that will be Gibbs' mistake since it was he who was instrumental in bringing Campbell here and rolling the dice on him (gifting all those draft picks to Denver) in the first place.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by memphisskin

Dungy is the only active coach with a better winning percentage. If not for the wild success we had over the last five games there would have been no Super Bowl expectations. Think back over the past five years, what other coach brought that level of hope? Not saying that another coach couldn't, but I am saying that no other coach did it here. Turner, Schottenheimer and Spurrier were brought here to give the fan base hope.

There are no quick fixes, no dream free agents or draft picks who are going to come to Redskin Park and turn the skins around. Gibbs has a plan, he's won before, and I think he'll win it all again here in DC.

Thanks, I forgot about Dungy. You are right, there are no quick fixes, however, Joe Gibbs has next year and the one after to do whatever he's going to do.

[RiggoRules]

It is all about the rings on Gibbs hands.

As a result, there is only one person who is in a position to call for Joe Gibbs to resign:

Mrs. Gibbs.

Dan Snyder isn't going to. Some bitter reporters and talk show hosts might, but who cares.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by RiggoRules

It is all about the rings on Gibbs hands.

As a result, there is only one person who is in a position to call for Joe Gibbs to resign:

Mrs. Gibbs.

Dan Snyder isn't going to. Some bitter reporters and talk show hosts might, but who cares.

From what I've read so far, or at least in this thread, no one here is calling for him to resign.

[skinsguy]

Keep in mind, Joe Gibbs's plan for this team was to rebuild the franchise. That is his number one goal. However, he also wanted to find a group of guys he felt could give the redskins the best chance to win now. I think what Gibbs is finding difficult is the fact that while you can go out and get just about any guy you want, it's hard to keep some of the good guys you already have.

I truly believe that the benefits we reap from Gibbs will probably become known after Gibbs steps aside. Not that Gibbs can't make those players win, but that it may take a year or two past Gibbs' contract in order to finish the development.

Again, I think we're just in the age of instant gradification. If it doesn't work right away, we need to trash it all and start all over again. For some who say we need to get a new coach, and I realize it's not many saying that, keep in mind that getting a new head coach means getting a whole new coaching staff (more than likely) and getting rid of players who don't fit the system, etc.....this is something I want this franchise to finally avoid.

[freddyg12]

brian billick - offensive genius w/poor offense
m. Lewis - def. guru w/poor defense
tuna - discipinarian whose team is among league leaders in penalties & who is just over .500 since coaching cowpokes
j. gruden - struggling O even when simms was healthy

Gibbs' offenses have struggled, but made great strides last year & we went to the 2nd rnd. Just take a look around the league & run the numbers on any given coach. Aside from Bellicheck, Reid, Shanahan & maybe Cowher, ups & downs are the norm in today's nfl. Even those guys had down years, see Philly last year & Pitt this year. Mike Holmgren was about to lose his job, then went to a super bowl.
The days of Gibbs I, Landry, B.Grant & Chuck Noll are long over. Its a lot harder to maintain a winning record & continuity for a long career. Bottom line, Gibbs got us back in the playoffs & had people talkin super bowl. Even if this year we don't make the playoffs, if JC turns out to be the real deal, Gibbs will have given us stability that we haven't seen since he left. If I have to lose, I'll lose w/Gibbs anyday before letting snyder open his checkbook to the next savior.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

True. I just threw out those names as examples, not really to compare them to Gibbs' success. I mean, who else has an active winning percentage better than Gibbs...maybe Bellichek?

Funny you threw out Spurrier? I think had we kept either Marty Shott...or maybe held on to Marvin Lewis long enough to make him head coach, it's possible we're not even discussing Gibbs.

It is true Marty has done a good job after he left. At the time, I personally was not to excited at the prospect of "Marty ball". Like Texas A & M. 3 yards and a cloud of dust. (or whatever)

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

From what I've read so far, or at least in this thread, no one here is calling for him to resign.

I listened to a segment of the Brian Mitchell radio show yesterday, and he was having listeners call in about whether Gibbs should be fired. More than half of the people calling in said Gibbs SHOULD be fired. You have to have the football IQ of broccoli to think that firing Gibbs is the answer... dumbass's

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

brian billick - offensive genius w/poor offense
m. Lewis - def. guru w/poor defense
tuna - discipinarian whose team is among league leaders in penalties & who is just over .500 since coaching cowpokes
j. gruden - struggling O even when simms was healthy

Gibbs' offenses have struggled, but made great strides last year & we went to the 2nd rnd. Just take a look around the league & run the numbers on any given coach. Aside from Bellicheck, Reid, Shanahan & maybe Cowher, ups & downs are the norm in today's nfl. Even those guys had down years, see Philly last year & Pitt this year. Mike Holmgren was about to lose his job, then went to a super bowl.
The days of Gibbs I, Landry, B.Grant & Chuck Noll are long over. Its a lot harder to maintain a winning record & continuity for a long career. Bottom line, Gibbs got us back in the playoffs & had people talkin super bowl. Even if this year we don't make the playoffs, if JC turns out to be the real deal, Gibbs will have given us stability that we haven't seen since he left. If I have to lose, I'll lose w/Gibbs anyday before letting snyder open his checkbook to the next savior.

Very well said!