JOE GIBBS needs to take control

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by hooskins

I think putting in Ramsey would give us a better chance, but I would have still predicted the same exact result.

I dont feel all of that was because of Brunell's injury, it was because of a very simple offense that the defenses picked up rather easily.

but you can't deny MB's production was at least avg. all year until the last 3 games (including playoffs). It's hard to judge Gibbs' offense in those 3 games cause Brunell couldn't operate 100%.
I'll agree w/you that the O still needed tweaking, but it worked to some extent.
I was excited when we hired Saunders & its too early to judge the move, our O might be unstopable next year & after, but if it is less than explosive then I think many will look back & say that Gibbs could've achieved the same w/out complicating things by bringing in a new coordinator.
I think we'll be alright w/JC & a yr. of this new O under our belt. Hope so anyway!

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

but you can't deny MB's production was at least avg. all year until the last 3 games (including playoffs). It's hard to judge Gibbs' offense in those 3 games cause Brunell couldn't operate 100%.
I'll agree w/you that the O still needed tweaking, but it worked to some extent.
I was excited when we hired Saunders & its too early to judge the move, our O might be unstopable next year & after, but if it is less than explosive then I think many will look back & say that Gibbs could've achieved the same w/out complicating things by bringing in a new coordinator.
I think we'll be alright w/JC & a yr. of this new O under our belt. Hope so anyway!

I agree with your assessment of Saunders, like I have been saying give him atleast one more year with Campbell.

That still may not be enough to win if our D doesnt make some drastic improvements next year.

[hooskins]

Yeah MBs peformance was average, but statistics are misleading, like they are this year. MB has stellar numbers this year, but we all know the way he plays is not cut for winning games.

Last year his numbers come around average because of those games before the playoffs, and maybe one or two before that in the regular season.

You guys are forgetting, he had some pretty shitty games.

[61cad]

Originally Posted by DGreen28

Last year Gibbs had the skins on track. Listening to the media talk about his offense he made a change. MISTAKE Drop the new playbook in the trash and dust his off. Call 100% of the play from his play book. RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN you've got Betts, Duckett, and Rock give them the ball please. Why are we run on 1st down and throwing on 2nd and 3rd. If its not broken don't fix it. GIBBS is a HOF coach he needs to do what he knows works 3 RINGS

Has Gibbs some how lost control?

3 rings from the 80's and 90's means nothing today.

The "O" was broken last year and is broke this year.

Look at this year depth chart and compare offense to defense ("O" with 5 running backs, 5 wide outs and 3 tight ends) This all smells of Joe Gibbs.

[irish]

Hypothetical: If Gibbs leaves and another coach comes in and fails and Gibbs says he will come back for a 3rd try would the redskins faithful be excited?

I dont think so.

[theJBexperience]

What I really liked about last year's O was our protection packages. I remember hearing teams complain about how stacked our line was and how difficult it was to put pressure on Brunell.

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by theJBexperience

What I really liked about last year's O was our protection packages. I remember hearing teams complain about how stacked our line was and how difficult it was to put pressure on Brunell.

Right, so they just dropped back into coverage, and stopped Moss and Cooley, and game over.

I agree protection is good, but to an extent, it severely limited our offensive options.

[#56fanatic]

there are a couple of things to look at. Gibbs offense was 11th, but did faulter when our 2nd option at WR went down with injury (patton) The reason we were able to win was the D. we played a style of gibbs offense which put the ball in Portis hands and let the Oline beat people up. Again, our D kept us alive in those games. 2ndly, Gibbs offense produced a very potent offense when he was here the first time. once having 3 1000 yard receivers. I do think if gibbs had kept control with the addtion of 1 or the 2 guys we picked up this year we would have been better this year. keeping the same scheme in tact would have been best.
bringing in Sauders : statistically, his offense is not that good in the first year. he generall is in the middle to bottom in the first year. Brunell didn't help that situation. What needs to be addressed is the fact the O-line is best equiped to run a Gibbs style offense. When they took over last year they attacked the defense, and ran smash mouth. that is what they are best at. if you keep changing offensive shcemes year to year we as fans can not expect it to be a finely tuned machine. Now if Saunders is still on board next year, we should see an increase in the ranking and overall productivety.

in short. I agree Gibbs should have never given control of HIS offense to anyone.

[celts32]

Sure there is room for offensive improvement but the Redskins offense is as good if not better than last year...the problem here is DEFENSE! If you put this years defense on last years team that would be a 3-7 team as well. They are not playing good enough defense to win any football games right now.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by DGreen28

Last year Gibbs had the skins on track. Listening to the media talk about his offense he made a change. MISTAKE Drop the new playbook in the trash and dust his off. Call 100% of the play from his play book. RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN you've got Betts, Duckett, and Rock give them the ball please. Why are we run on 1st down and throwing on 2nd and 3rd. If its not broken don't fix it. GIBBS is a HOF coach he needs to do what he knows works 3 RINGS

Did you look at the offese at all the last half of the season???????????? Did you see the 41 yards passing against TB? Did you see how many consecutive 3 and outs we had against Seattle in the playoffs? Did you see the games against Philly and Ariz during the last few weeks of the season when we needed the defense to score and bail us out? I'm so tired of everyone crying about running more. Yes we do need to run more but let's not get carried away. We need a little more balance but that is hard when the other team has the frickin ball more than you do. Bottom line is our offense was too predictable last year. That's why AS was brought in here. This guy knows how to coach a modern NFL offense. Personally I hope Gibbs does not call the plays becasue he was horrible at it. WAY TO CONSERVATIVE. We would get ahead and then run and not pass and lose. Remember Oakland and San Diego last year? Horrible conservative play calling lost those games. The main problem with this team is along the offensive and defensive lines. That's were it all starts.

[The Zimmermans]

Wherever Al goes, the defense sucks, maybe he puts something in the defenders' water to keep the focus off his offense.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by The Zimmermans

Wherever Al goes, the defense sucks, maybe he puts something in the defenders' water to keep the focus off his offense.

I think it's because his offense isn't designed for grind it out, control the clock football necessarily.

I think the overall point of bringing in Saunders, drafting Campbell, drafting Rocky was for the long term. I think Gibbs felt under his watch as head coach they would be at least a perennial playoff team and then the young guns could take that next step when he stepped down as head coach. Instead of the team crashing and burning like the last time he left.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Gibbs' offense last year was very good in some respects, but it was missing an intermediate to vertical passing game (which Gibbs himself said we were missing). Maybe Gibbs would have been able to establish a better passing O with Campbell, ARE, and Lloyd.

[The Zimmermans]

It's true, our D is even worse than it seems. They clamp down sometimes in the redzone,which keeps the points given up total from becoming embaressing, however, by the time they do that, they have given up an endless number of first downs and 10 minutes of possession time (KILLER). And the timing of these points and yards given up is even more killer, right after we score, we have given up points every F^%(*&^in time, so demoralizing to the offense. We had them pinned on the 2 with a lead, what happened next.........85 yard, 10 minute drive. The offense from last year would have been shutout half of the games with that type of defensive performance. Running the ball with a small back....portis into a 10 man stacked box is not my idea of ball possession.

[SouperMeister]

Even Todd Collins told Brunell that the Saunders offense would take a whole year to master. I say stick with it. Saunders teams have put up boatloads of points after the initial growing pains. Next year may be a rebuilding year anyway, at least on the defensive side of the ball, so let's not introduce further instability by turning away from an offense that has proven effective as recently as last season in KC.