Seven Steps to Redskins Renewal

[hesscl34]

Originally Posted by irish

I have a hard time with #7 as Gibbs et al have done nothing to gain my trust that they can evaluate personell and make correct decision in that area.

I agree with teh other 6.

Too bad you missed the Superbowl years. You would have more faith if you could remember them.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by hesscl34

Too bad you missed the Superbowl years. You would have more faith if you could remember them.

I remember those years very well. But back then he wasn't making the personel moves. You can also give Ritchie Petibone some credit too. W/out Ritchie does Gibbs wins 3 SB's ???

[irish]

Originally Posted by hesscl34

Too bad you missed the Superbowl years. You would have more faith if you could remember them.

I remember the Super Bowl years quite well. I also remember that Gibbs was the coach and Betherd got the players. Now Gibbs is doing both with disasterous results.

BTW, the Super Bowl years were 15 years ago. That's ancient history and has nothing to do with what's happening now.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by hail_2_da_skins

There have been a lot of posts about the Redskins sucking. I came up with seven simple steps that if followed, will help Redskin fans to deal our current situation. Follow these simple steps and the remainder of the season won't seem that bad.

Seven Steps to Redskin Renewal

1. Admit that the 2006 Washington Redskins will not make the playoffs.

2. Admit that the 2006 Washington Redskins are not that good.

3. Admit that the 2006 Washington Redskin organization has not put the team in the best position to win football games.

4. Accept that for the remainder of the season, the 2006 Washington Redskins are in a rebuilding mode.

5. Accept that for the remainder of the season, the fans should expect improvement, not necessarily wins.

6. Accept that for the remainder of the season, Jason Campbell at times will look like a rookie.

7. Trust that Joe Gibbs and his staff will access the team's strengths and weaknesses and adjust in the offseason accordingly.

I simpy don't trust Gibbs anymore.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I simpy don't trust Gibbs anymore.

Yeah, it's hard to trust him when he's contradicted himself so many times since he's been back. They made a guy like AA the highest paid player in league history at his position but he can't even crack the 3rd string and we're supposed to have faith that they can accurately evaluate anyone?
That might be too big a leap of faith for me at this point.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by ArtMonkDrillz

Yeah, it's hard to trust him when he's contradicted himself so many times since he's been back. They made a guy like AA the highest paid player in league history at his position but he can't even crack the 3rd string and we're supposed to have faith that they can accurately evaluate anyone?
That might be too big a leap of faith for me at this point.

If this was anyone else he would be run out of town.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

If this was anyone else he would be run out of town.

But the point is that its not anyone else, its Joe Gibbs.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

But the point is that its not anyone else, its Joe Gibbs.

I understand but the past doesn't buy you anything. He has shown no ability to judge personel. Some of the teams w/ good GM's are just laughing at us. I mean Gibbs said Desmond Howard had no weaknesses.

[Citizens for 81]

I thought this tread was a 12-step program to help me get over my addiction to football teams that suck (2006 redskins).

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by ArtMonkDrillz

Yeah, it's hard to trust him when he's contradicted himself so many times since he's been back. They made a guy like AA the highest paid player in league history at his position but he can't even crack the 3rd string and we're supposed to have faith that they can accurately evaluate anyone?
That might be too big a leap of faith for me at this point.

Is Archuleta the only move he made? Did you mistrust him when we got Portis, Taylor, Cooley, Washington, Moss and jetissoned guys like McCants, Bowen, Gardner?

I mean yeah he's made mistakes. And chances are he will again. But it's not as if it's one bad move after another and I don't know anyone can say he can't be trusted or can't evaluate anyone

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Is Archuleta the only move he made? Did you mistrust him when we got Portis, Taylor, Cooley, Washington, Moss and jetissoned guys like McCants, Bowen, Gardner?

I mean yeah he's made mistakes. And chances are he will again. But it's not as if it's one bad move after another and I don't know anyone can say he can't be trusted or can't evaluate anyone

Those were good moves. Especially Cooley. But anyone can go get a bunch of FA's if you have an owner that will spend for bonuses. It doesn't take a brillant FO person to get FA's. And if you ask me the jury is still out on Taylor. He really must improve on coverage and being a more disiplined player. But the bad moves are so bad that it's not even funny. They are just horrible moves. The Duckett move was the last straw for me. How does someone who is away from it for 11 years all of a sudden come in off the street and have complete control over personel? Makes no sense. Just coach the team. He's having a hard enough time doing that. Dick Vermeil didn't get full control when he came back. And he was at least doing broadcasting. But where are the 3rd and 4th round gems? Where are Marcus Colston's? Where are the Demarcus Ware's? This is what Bobby B. was so good at. Bottom line is hire a GM and make that person have complete control over personel and leave Gibbs to coaching.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Those were good moves. Especially Cooley. But anyone can go get a bunch of FA's if you have an owner that will spend for bonuses. It doesn't take a brillant FO person to get FA's. And if you ask me the jury is still out on Taylor. He really must improve on coverage and being a more disiplined player. But the bad moves are so bad that it's not even funny. They are just horrible moves. The Duckett move was the last straw for me. How does someone who is away from it for 11 years all of a sudden come in off the street and have complete control over personel? Makes no sense. Just coach the team. He's having a hard enough time doing that. Dick Vermeil didn't get full control when he came back. And he was at least doing broadcasting. But where are the 3rd and 4th round gems? Where are Marcus Colston's? Where are the Demarcus Ware's? This is what Bobby B. was so good at. Bottom line is hire a GM and make that person have complete control over personel and leave Gibbs to coaching.

Well, just about every team passed on Colston over and over again. And Ware wasn't exactly a midround steal. He was a first round pick.

But really, the most interesting point you bring up is Duckett. Because I think this is one case where Gibbs the coach is at fault, not Gibbs the President. The move to get Duckett was good. A young, powerful back who has proven he can play in the league and could spell Portis and be insurance should Betts test the market (which of course didn't happen)

For whatever reason though, Duckett barely saw the field but I really don't think Gibbs the President traded for him thinking Gibbs the Player had no place for him on the field.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by ArtMonkDrillz

Yeah, it's hard to trust him when he's contradicted himself so many times since he's been back. They made a guy like AA the highest paid player in league history at his position but he can't even crack the 3rd string and we're supposed to have faith that they can accurately evaluate anyone?
That might be too big a leap of faith for me at this point.

I wanted to say something about this -- which is, one of the problems with blaming (or praising) Gibbs for every decision, is that, like it or not, it's very probable that a lot of those decisions were made fairly independently by guys who he has delegated a lot of authority to. When Grilliamss decided he wanted Arch Deluxe and wanted to drop a ton of cash on him, Joe ultimately had to sign off on the deal, but what it likely came down to was him saying, "do I trust and believe in this guy (Grilliamss)?" and "Does what he's saying seem so wrong that I can't allow it to happen?"

When you're a leader in a management organization like the Skins, you learn pretty quick that micromanagement and looking over the shoulders of your subordinates is a huge mistake (and a waste of time). It sabotages them, they resent it, and ultimately it just kills any leadership development. What you do is bring in good, smart people you believe in, and you let them do their thing. If they need help, you give it, and if they screw up, you gotta let them know. But you also know you can't go countermanding their instructions or you essentially undermine their leadership entirely.

I firmly believe Joe is going to have a lot to say to both Saunders and Grilliamss in the offseason, and he may very well be less willing to sign off on things they ask for, sight unseen. They probably lost a little bit of his trust, and should have to earn it back. But I also know that as a leader who wants his people to succeed, Joe is not necessarily the cause of all of this mess.

He's accountable for it, but I'm not so sure he's responsible for it. There's a big difference.

[JDALY27]

Originally Posted by dgack

I wanted to say something about this -- which is, one of the problems with blaming (or praising) Gibbs for every decision, is that, like it or not, it's very probable that a lot of those decisions were made fairly independently by guys who he has delegated a lot of authority to. When Grilliamss decided he wanted Arch Deluxe and wanted to drop a ton of cash on him, Joe ultimately had to sign off on the deal, but what it likely came down to was him saying, "do I trust and believe in this guy (Grilliamss)?" and "Does what he's saying seem so wrong that I can't allow it to happen?"

When you're a leader in a management organization like the Skins, you learn pretty quick that micromanagement and looking over the shoulders of your subordinates is a huge mistake (and a waste of time). It sabotages them, they resent it, and ultimately it just kills any leadership development. What you do is bring in good, smart people you believe in, and you let them do their thing. If they need help, you give it, and if they screw up, you gotta let them know. But you also know you can't go countermanding their instructions or you essentially undermine their leadership entirely.

I firmly believe Joe is going to have a lot to say to both Saunders and Grilliamss in the offseason, and he may very well be less willing to sign off on things they ask for, sight unseen. They probably lost a little bit of his trust, and should have to earn it back. But I also know that as a leader who wants his people to succeed, Joe is not necessarily the cause of all of this mess.

He's accountable for it, but I'm not so sure he's responsible for it. There's a big difference.

Good points but you're just guessing. Noone knows how it goes down on the inside. Drafting Sean Taylor over Winslow lead me to beleive you're right about personel moves by G. Williams over Gibbs. That was year 1 though. Interesting to see where they go in this draft coming up.....

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by dgack

He's accountable for it, but I'm not so sure he's responsible for it. There's a big difference.

Indeed. Couldn't have said it better myself.