Gibbs still likes how players are selected....ugh

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

What guy walks off a Nascar team and has full control of an NFL team? It makes no sense.

That's kind of a narrow way of looking at it don't you think? I mean Gibbs has a long history in the NFL. It's not like we're talking about Jeff Gordon walking off NASCAR to take control of an NFL team

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

That's kind of a narrow way of looking at it don't you think? I mean Gibbs has a long history in the NFL. It's not like we're talking about Jeff Gordon walking off NASCAR to take control of an NFL team

No. Becasue he was away from it for 11 years. That's a long time to be away from the NFL. Or what he could do is just let Vinny be in charge of it. Hand that authority off to Vinny since he likes him so much. He really needs to focus on coaching. Way too many coaching errors that need to be fixed. BTW, on your comment about Don B. Having Don B. get milk would at least now give him something to do.

[VTSkins897]

another damn thing to bitch about.

[SmootSmack]

I mean, it just seems to me that for a lot of people all they want is to be able to say so and so is the Redskins General Manager.

Joe Gibbs could say "I'd like to announce that we have reorganized our staff and Don Breaux will now serve as general manager. I will still consult with Vinny and Mr. Snyder on personnel decisions, and Don's main task will be to make sure I pick up milk on the way home from work"....and a good amount of fans would just say "Finally! We have a GM!"

[irish]

Gibbs does have a long history in the NFL (a long time ago) but never as a coach and GM. It would be a huge task to get up to speed on the coaching aspect alone, throw in a GM role on top of that and its a prescription for a mess. Which is exactly what the Redskins are in.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by irish

Gibbs does have a long history in the NFL (a long time ago) but never as a coach and GM. It would be a huge task to get up to speed on the coaching aspect alone, throw in a GM role on top of that and its a prescription for a mess. Which is exactly what the Redskins are in.

True that it's been a huge task to adjust to the new nfl, but don't you think Gibbs has shown his ability to make changes? He has been upfront & honest about the transition. Of course w/the way things have gone this year no one will applaud him for hiring Saunders. But when the O starts rolling (& it will) people will look back at it as a savvy move. Same thing w/JC, a very forward thinking move.
This year Gibbs will have to live w/criticism of this 06 FA class & mismanagment of his coaching staff (see the T.Friend article), but after each year he's shown that he is willing to adapt to the circumstances of the new nfl. I have faith in him to learn from this year & put together a season to rival or better 05.
My only significant complaints were aired in yesterday's - A Tale of Two Teams thread - I don't disagree w/going after FAs, just not at the expense of our most valuable picks & future cap $. I do believe that Gibbs may see a need for change in this area too. Remember that before the 05 season we had few signings, only Rabach & Patten were significant. I even think that Snyder would allow Gibbs to hire a GM to take over after he retires. Something tells me that this time around part of his job is to leave a blueprint in place for the organization beyond his years.

[irish]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

True that it's been a huge task to adjust to the new nfl, but don't you think Gibbs has shown his ability to make changes? He has been upfront & honest about the transition. Of course w/the way things have gone this year no one will applaud him for hiring Saunders. But when the O starts rolling (& it will) people will look back at it as a savvy move. Same thing w/JC, a very forward thinking move.
This year Gibbs will have to live w/criticism of this 06 FA class & mismanagment of his coaching staff (see the T.Friend article), but after each year he's shown that he is willing to adapt to the circumstances of the new nfl. I have faith in him to learn from this year & put together a season to rival or better 05.
My only significant complaints were aired in yesterday's - A Tale of Two Teams thread - I don't disagree w/going after FAs, just not at the expense of our most valuable picks & future cap $. I do believe that Gibbs may see a need for change in this area too. Remember that before the 05 season we had few signings, only Rabach & Patten were significant. I even think that Snyder would allow Gibbs to hire a GM to take over after he retires. Something tells me that this time around part of his job is to leave a blueprint in place for the organization beyond his years.

I agree that Gibbs is willing to make changes but I wonder if he is making the right changes. The O was starting to click at the end of last year but instead of trying to build on it Gibbs fired himself and hired AS. Its a change but the jury is still out whether it was good or not.

I also dont understand why the organization has to wait for Gibbs to retire to hire a GM. They need one now. I understand that Gibbs is trying to leave a blueprint but to me that means more rebuilding a growth seasons. This organization has been stringing its fans along with "next years" and "retool" for quite some time now and I thing to ask them to sign on for a few more years of rebuilding under the current group (that has not exactly inspired much confidence that they will get it right) is a lot to ask of the fans.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by irish

I agree that Gibbs is willing to make changes but I wonder if he is making the right changes. The O was starting to click at the end of last year but instead of trying to build on it Gibbs fired himself and hired AS. Its a change but the jury is still out whether it was good or not.

I also dont understand why the organization has to wait for Gibbs to retire to hire a GM. They need one now. I understand that Gibbs is trying to leave a blueprint but to me that means more rebuilding a growth seasons. This organization has been stringing its fans along with "next years" and "retool" for quite some time now and I thing to ask them to sign on for a few more years of rebuilding under the current group (that has not exactly inspired much confidence that they will get it right) is a lot to ask of the fans.

All good points - can't argue w/the jury still being out on AS but I still think it was a shrewd move that will hopefully be looked back it favorably.
My point about the GM is that Gibbs essentially is the GM, and as someone said earlier, if he hires a GM what would he do? The challenge of coming back was to run the team as prez/coach, IMO.
The blueprint theory is this:
1) GW becomes head coach (I have my doubts after the Friend article, but that's the way his contract was structured)
2) As has near autonomy on O
3) Someone is hired to replace Gibbs when he retires as team prez.

In this scenario, Gibbs II legacy is as much about getting a coaching staff & front office structure in place as winning games. Not that I think we won't win w/Gibbs. We already have & will again!

[irish]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

All good points - can't argue w/the jury still being out on AS but I still think it was a shrewd move that will hopefully be looked back it favorably.
My point about the GM is that Gibbs essentially is the GM, and as someone said earlier, if he hires a GM what would he do? The challenge of coming back was to run the team as prez/coach, IMO.
The blueprint theory is this:
1) GW becomes head coach (I have my doubts after the Friend article, but that's the way his contract was structured)
2) As has near autonomy on O
3) Someone is hired to replace Gibbs when he retires as team prez.

In this scenario, Gibbs II legacy is as much about getting a coaching staff & front office structure in place as winning games. Not that I think we won't win w/Gibbs. We already have & will again!

I'm not sold on one GW or AS becomming the next head coach but it could happen.

So the whole Gibbs 2 experiment was to put pieces in place for some point in the future and if the teams wins thats fine but getting structure is place over 5 years is the main goal? I just dont think another 5 year rebuild is what the fans expected Gibbs to do. I think the scenario was the opposite, Gibbs was supposed to win first and lay the foundation for winning in the future.

I think that a lot of Redskin fans have gotten used to losing and as long as they get a bone (like a 5 game win streak) every now and they they think the end is in sight while in reality the organization just keeps doing what its been doing to create this culture of losing. Sure they shuffle different coaches & players in and out but the fundamental way of doing business does not change so the losing continues. As the saying goes, if you keep doing what youve always done you will keep getting what youve always got.

[SmootSmack]

Well I think a big reason for hiring Saunders and Williams and giving them near autonomous control of their respective units was for Gibbs to focus more on long term issues. I think he said as much last winter.

[NM Redskin]

Here is why we don't need a GM: Rocky McIntosh, Kedrick Golston,Carlos Rogers,Jason Campbell,Sean Taylor,Chris Cooley. I think the Front office has made pretty darn good picks. Before that we hadn't had a good draft since 2000.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by NM Redskin

Here is why we don't need a GM: Rocky McIntosh, Kedrick Golston,Carlos Rogers,Jason Campbell,Sean Taylor,Chris Cooley. I think the Front office has made pretty darn good picks. Before that we hadn't had a good draft since 2000.

You have named some players but the real question is are they any good? Remember we are 4-9 and looking at 4-12. I don't think Rogers is a very good man cover corner. He is getting beat every week. Perhaps he's better in zone because I know that is what he played in college. Goldston is only a rookie but he has had some bad games. Remember Tenn and TB? He was getting blown off the ball badly in those games. But he looks like he has some promise. But a full time player? Taylor has flat out regressed this year. Poor in coverage, too many missed tackles and too many 15 yarders. Rocky hasn't played any yet so we don't know about him. And JC has the physical skills but let's see if giving up the extra 1st rounder was worth it. Cooley was a real nice find in the 3rd round. So out of those 6 players we have one that is proven.

[NM Redskin]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

You have named some players but the real question is are they any good? Remember we are 4-9 and looking at 4-12. I don't think Rogers is a very good man cover corner. He is getting beat every week. Perhaps he's better in zone because I know that is what he played in college. Goldston is only a rookie but he has had some bad games. Remember Tenn and TB? He was getting blown off the ball badly in those games. But he looks like he has some promise. But a full time player? Taylor has flat out regressed this year. Poor in coverage, too many missed tackles and too many 15 yarders. Rocky hasn't played any yet so we don't know about him. And JC has the physical skills but let's see if giving up the extra 1st rounder was worth it. Cooley was a real nice find in the 3rd round. So out of those 6 players we have one that is proven.

Well you get poor coverage when you have no pass rush. Plus no one of the D lione is a "full time player", they rotate a lot. S taylor is the man, is not proven, your crazy.

[irish]

Originally Posted by NM Redskin

Here is why we don't need a GM: Rocky McIntosh, Kedrick Golston,Carlos Rogers,Jason Campbell,Sean Taylor,Chris Cooley. I think the Front office has made pretty darn good picks. Before that we hadn't had a good draft since 2000.

So you are basically satisfied with how everything is going so far?

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Originally Posted by irish

So you are basically satisfied with how everything is going so far?

I think bailing on guys like Rogers, Golston, Rocky, Campbell and not allowing them to develop is not the way to go. It would be ironic to say we should to that since so many fans complain the Redskins have no patience